At 01:36 PM 5/31/2005, you wrote:
>Larry, the CR site seems to be down again today. (Maybe the SOB's are
>trying to extort yet more money from Dale). However, I thought it said
>there that the International was a Carlton model before Raleigh bought
>Carlton, which was well before 1969. Did Raleigh kill the International,
>then revive it in the 70'?
>
>Regards,
>
>Jerry Moos
Beats he heck out of me what was going on during the first few years of the Raleigh ownership of Carlton. At least in 1970 the "Professional" model name existed simultaneously as both Carlton and Raleigh, but I haven't found anything that suggests that was ever also true for the Int. I've seen 50s & 60s vintage Carlton Ints, but no Raleigh Int before 69, at least not here in the states.
I agree with Peter Kohler that this period represents a huge gap in our collective "knowledge". For now I'm stuck with it. And just to add to his question about what was happening in Canada, I learned a while back from AUS listmember Ben Kamenjas that 70s era Raleighs were sold in Australia with Carlton decals for some reason, so that just adds one more item to the ever growing list of things I'll probably never understand.
Happy hunting Osborn Physically in Morgantown WV, but trying to astral project myself and a bike back to the Great Ocean Road in Victoria AUS.
>Larry Osborn <losborn2@wvu.edu> wrote:
>At 03:19 PM 5/28/2005, you wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >This one may have been mentioned already, but the lugs
> >are too sweet to take a chance not mentioning it to
> >the list. Not much description. Raleigh experts can
> >probably ID it readily.
> >
> >http://ebay.com/<blah>
> name=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1
> >
> >Don Wilson
> >Los Olivos, CA
> >Its a 1970 International in Bronze Green, fitted with strange period
>parts (original >equipment was Campy NR). Note the Nervex Pro lugs and
>rapid taper chainstays. Note >also the odd freewheel with "missing" teeth
>on the 4th and 5th cogs.
> >Len Grossman
> >South Orange, NJ
>Greetings campers and quiz contestants
>More likely it's a 69 Raleigh Competition, from the time when the
>Profession! al was white and there was not yet an International model, which
>fits with the color, headbadge, Nervex lugs, fork crown, Zeus crank,
>Simplex shifters, Weinmann brakes, Atom pedals, cheapy-creepy headset, and
>other things I'm seeing there except sometimes the Campy drops were Zeus
>drops. Also available in black. Every one I've ever seen for sale has been
>too large for me. GRRRrrrrrrr.
>See the 69 Raleigh catalog at the website of your choice for a stunning
>lack of detail in the description.
>http://bulgier.net/pics/bike/Catalogs/Retro-Raleighs/
>http://retroraleighs.com/index.html#catalogues
>Larry "not getting any taller" Osborn
>Morgantown WV