Re: [CR]Re: Pogliaghi talk

(Example: Framebuilders:Chris Pauley)

Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 16:42:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Dale B. Phelps" <losgatos_dale@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [CR]Re: Pogliaghi talk
To: gpvb1@comcast.net, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
In-Reply-To: <061220052142.18246.42ACAC3A000C2314000047462205884484CE0D909F09@comcast.net>


I'm game for the assumption that they're sequential, just like cinelli

Meanwhile, lets forget about all the actual design features, and the photos on the web page, or anyone's actual experience with these bikes. After all, they're not in the least germain to what makes a Pog "CR" fodder for discussion. Oh wait, this doesn't sound like a discussion anymore. Bad me for offering insight that seemed contrary to one of our sponsors? Or am I again wrong?

phelpsie colorado

gpvb1@comcast.net wrote: Yes, the serial number will certainly be what will pin this down.

Greg Parker
Ann Arbor, Michigan


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Yes, of course "over-the-years" you'll find variation with builders, especially when citing examples and events that span three decades! (And especially with the relatively small shops like Sante in the 60's and early 70's. But (especially) compared to the small shop approach of the mid-60's, the 70's were a far different period for many builders (read: the oft-decried "boom") - Sante's shop approach is one example. By the mid-70's Pogs show a lot of uniformity - like the larger triangle lug cutouts and engraved stay caps. Anyone who's actually handled many of these bikes from that period could attest to that (DB? JB? BB? care to respond?) Standardization of a sort? Even the ordered-for-the-buyer pogs (compared to off-the-peg framesets) came with these features, though brazeons by 75 were all available (extra cost, of course.) "Perhaps" there was a standardization effort to meet exploding demand? I suggest referring to the CR website Pog pages to gain an informed appreciation of just how similar most of the 70's bikes at least appear to be. Thankfully, those fotos reflect my memory of that period, as well as of all the Pogs I've seen since then, and are not as subject to armchair debate. But then, I could be wrong.

Dale Phelps Longmont CO

gpvb1@comcast.net wrote: Like I said, the serial number will tell the tale. Does anyone have it yet?

My 1965ish Pogliaghi has no diamond cutouts in the lugs, is fully chromed, and has lugs, BB shell, and fork crown unlike any other Pog I've ever seen. There were a multitude of variations of Pogliaghi frames over the years, even before the marque was sold (twice).

Greg Parker
Ann Arbor, Michigan


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75-76 at the very earliest. Cues: engraved seatstay caps, bigger cutouts on the lugs (no neat little diamonds), laurel-wreath graphic on the headtube, "Selection" graphic on the chainstays, Italcourse graphic on downtube & the seat-tube world bands, and chrome on the dropout faces. The fork is missing the zippy top engraving though...."transition" maybe? Whoever goes for it will get a nice rider. My '76 (s/n11222) is very schweet.

Dale Phelps Longmont CO

gpvb1@comcast.net wrote: Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 19:12:43 -0700 From: "C. Andrews" To: Subject: [CR]ebay outing: another tall Pogliaghi

Another, nicer, Pogliaghi. Original finish, weird parts mix, very tall. Again, interesting to look at. Probably not early 70s though. More like late 70s. Seller does not give the serial number, if there is one.

http://ebay.com/<blah> 1&ssPageName=WDVW

Charles Andrews SoCal

I dunno - early 1970s sounds pretty plausible. Parts may be non-original, and this one has been ridden hard and put away wet, so to speak.... Serial number would tell the tale, I guess. Long dropouts, foil Columbus decal, tons of, uh, patina.... Looks very 1970-1973 to moi. Even has the crappy Italian bike-boom chrome on the fork. Greg "Pogs everywhere lately!" Parker Ann Arbor, Michigan

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