Re: [CR]SB Raleigh

(Example: Racing:Beryl Burton)

Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 17:31:47 +0100
Subject: Re: [CR]SB Raleigh
From: "Hilary Stone" <hilary.stone@blueyonder.co.uk>
To: Tom Dalton <tom_s_dalton@yahoo.com>, <freitas1@pacbell.net>
In-Reply-To: <20050613160313.24200.qmail@web50201.mail.yahoo.com>
cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

Raleigh Special Product frames built in the UK have sequential numbers - that is a certainty. I sold a 753 frame SB3499 a while back - it had the same seatstay caps, concealed rear brake cable and different lugs and BB shell. However the lugs, cable guiides etc on Bob Freitas' frame are all identical to a Raleigh Service Des Course frame I sold which was from c1985 - it had the frame number SB8221. On the balance of prbabilities I think the frame number starts 83**. It is very easy to misread a frame number where there's thick layer of paint...

Hilary Stone, Bristol, England
> From: Tom Dalton <tom_s_dalton@yahoo.com>
> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 09:03:13 -0700 (PDT)
> To: freitas1@pacbell.net
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]SB Raleigh
>
> Mr. Freitas Asked:
>
> Just out of the box(greatest packing job I've seen in a while) OK all you
> RALEIGH experts out there ,what is it I bought? serial reads SB33** cant read
> it to well because of the thick paint.
>
>
> Mr Kohler replied:
>>
> Well according to the CR posting by Mike Mullett back in April, an SB33**
> serial number would fall between 1979-80. My SB 4074 was shipped from the UK
> about November 1980. Your frame, however, has braze ons for the brake cable
> atop the top tube which must have been added later OR this was a frame built
> for specs other than Raleigh Team. On these the braze ons were under the top
> tube.
>
> My 2-cents:
> I'd say that 1980 is way off, and the notion that the 33xx serial number would
> make it older than the 1979-80 with serial number 4074 is also not correct.
> Are we usre these serial numbers are sequential? Is it possible that the s/n
> on Freita's bike is 83xx, or something? I'd say that the frame in the photos,
> paint and braze-ons aside, is no older than 1985. The seat lug is that boxy
> investment-cast (Cinelli?) type that a friend had on his custom 753 from 1987,
> and we didn't really see it earlier than that. The very small seat stay caps
> are mid 80's and later, and while I can't be more specific, I'm pretty certain
> that they were not around in 1979 or before. Back then the stays were much
> bigger, not the thin-fat-thin profile that we see on the subject bike. The
> bike also appears to have a Cinelli BB shell. This BB, and the lugs, all
> point to mid-to-late 80's production (I'd say 1986-1990) and I'm sure some
> else can be more specific, I see nothing to suggest that the paint and
> braze-ons are not original.
>
> Tom Dalton
> Bethlehem, PA
>
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