Re: [CR]Ebay Abouting: "1960's" Legnano -Item number: 7169169885

Example: Framebuilding:Brazing Technique
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:35:01 -0400
From: "Norm and Val Lafleur" <>
Subject: Re: [CR]Ebay Abouting: "1960's" Legnano -Item number: 7169169885
To: "David Benson" <>, "john ames" <>, <>
References: <>

Ever since I acquired a Legnano Mod Roma Pista, I've been trying to decipher the Legnano hierarchy and time line. I also acquired a Mod Roma road bike to keep the track bike company. The only data I've been able to find has been from the CR web site and archives and from my own bikes. I believe that a true 60's Legnano should have the binder bolt in front of the seat post, a metal head badge, and no braze ons. Both of my bikes meet those definitions. The road bike also has a Record steel derailleur, Record front derailleur with built in cable stop and a 151 BCD Record crank. If these bits are original to the bike which I beleve to be true, this places the vintage between 63 and 67. The Ebay bike has none of these identifiers and has brazed on cable guides at the bottom bracket. I suspect that means late 70's or early 80's. Does the Ofmega crank give a hint at the correct date? Don't have an explanation for the older derailleurs though. Now, can some one comment on the Mod 54 vs the Record Specialissima vs the Mod Roma? They all appear to be toward the top of the range. Did they exist concurrently or were the spaced out over the time line?

Norm Lafleur
Ashfield, Ma.

----- Original Message -----
From: David Benson
To: john ames
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: [CR]Ebay Abouting: "1960's" Legnano -Item number: 7169169885

>I doubt that this frame was built later than the mid-70s.
> The clamp-on shift levers, top tube cable clips, clunky lookin' sand cast
> or forged fork crown, generous brake reach etc all suggest that the frame
> could be as old as the vendor claims.
> The only unusual feature is the lack of the distinctive Legnano seatlug
> clamp. Contrary to what has been asserted, this feature is not a 100%
> reliable indicator, as evidenced by this frame on the CR website:
> Legnano also owned Frejus. It is probable that there would have been some
> 'badge engineering' to meet demand. I think that the Legnano green Frejus
> on the CR site Frejus page would be an example of this.
> DB
> Ak, NZ
> john ames <> wrote:
> I am curious what the list thinks of this Legnano. Everything tells me
> that this is a Bianchi era frame (80's) with some older gear.
> 1960's Legnano Campagnolo Record - Ofmega Race bike
> MOD. 54, not restored, perfectly working Item number: 7169169885
> John Ames
> Silver (Code Orange - weather, that is) Spring
> MD