RE: [CR]Reasonable Restored Masi Gran Criterium Frame

(Example: Framebuilding:Tubing)

Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 09:39:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Raymond Dobbins <raydobbins2003@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [CR]Reasonable Restored Masi Gran Criterium Frame
To: Classic Rendezvous Bike List <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
In-Reply-To: <000001c58adb$dbdc0e70$0300a8c0@innes>


hello all,

dan's comment that when it comes to early 1970's masi's, the market remains quite hot, is being confirmed as we speak. a 74 italian gc frameset on ebay, ending in less than an hour, is up past $1,500 - i took it there, but that's as far as i am willing to go. it is not a twin plate like dan's was, but it was recently repainted by cycleart too. perfect size for me, so i went for it as far as my conciense allows - and pretty damn close to what my wallet allows as well. although it is not as nice as dan's (i remember that one, it was gorgeous), it will probably sell for around the same money as dan's ($2k). anyway, as the soup nazi would say, "no masi for you."

ray dobbins
miami florida


--- Jim Innes wrote:


> DB, thanks for the opinion. I am tending towards your view. I

\r?\n> haven't

\r?\n> been

\r?\n> paying that much to classic market until the last 3 months or so, but

\r?\n> my

\r?\n> feeling as an amateur economist is that prices for good classic steel

\r?\n> are

\r?\n> rising, and from hanging around bike shops recently, more people are

\r?\n> talking

\r?\n> with enthusiasm for the prior generation of racing bikes. As for my

\r?\n> Masi,

\r?\n> it's already been repainted with a decent pro paint job in an

\r?\n> approximation

\r?\n> of a Masi red, and the plan was that my original Masi decal set was

\r?\n> going

\r?\n> to be applied by the owner of the shop, who's main business is

\r?\n> industrial

\r?\n> design, and he is quite graphically skilled and has a passion for

\r?\n> good

\r?\n> old

\r?\n> bikes. I haven't seen the results yet, but likely it will present as

\r?\n> a

\r?\n> competent looking restoration, but not equal to high class pro

\r?\n> restoration.

\r?\n> I will send you all pix as for further comments as soon as I pick it

\r?\n> up,

\r?\n> likely in a week or two. I am bit cash poor, so I am hedging on the

\r?\n> date.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Thanks again for weighing in.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Jim Innes

\r?\n> Wireless Access Technologies, Inc.

\r?\n> 4217 Ridge Ave. #2

\r?\n> Philadelphia, PA 19129-1745

\r?\n> 267 481 1461 f215 438 1220

\r?\n> innesj@watinc.net

\r?\n>

\r?\n> -----Original Message-----

\r?\n> From: DB [mailto:db@home-work.com]

\r?\n> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 11:32 PM

\r?\n> To: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos; brianbaylis@juno.com; innesj@i-2000.com

\r?\n> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

\r?\n> Subject: Re: [CR]Reasonable Restored Masi Gran Criterium Frame - Any

\r?\n> Advice,

\r?\n> Da ta Appreciated, + a List of My other Rides

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Jerry,

\r?\n> I will offer an alternative opinion, based on an Italian made Masi GC

\r?\n> from the early 70's.

\r?\n> I bought the bike on ebay last summer for $800. It was a red spray

\r?\n> can repaint, but was obviously (to my amateur trained eye) the Masi

\r?\n> it was represented to be by the seller. I scooped it up very quickly

\r?\n> using "buy it now", yet realizing it would be slightly too small for

\r?\n> me. I decided I wanted to have it restored by Baylis, and maybe ride

\r?\n> it, maybe keep it, maybe sell it. Brian did a bang-up job, repainting

\r?\n> the bike in the medium Masi metallic blue. Thank you again, Brian.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> I ended up listing the frame six months later on ebay and to my

\r?\n> surprise it sold for $2000 - hence I netted a handsome profit.

\r?\n> Truthfully, I did not expect to do much better than break even, but

\r?\n> when it comes to early 1970's Masi's, the market remains quite hot.

\r?\n> If any CR listers would like me to send before/after photos of the

\r?\n> bike, just LMK.

\r?\n> -Dan Borden in Brookline, MA

\r?\n>

\r?\n> At 5:30 AM -0700 7/15/05, Jerome & Elizabeth Moos wrote:

\r?\n> >I'll second, from the customer side, what Brian said. I've had

\r?\n> >several frames restored, always with the full knowledge that I could

\r?\n> >never recoup the cost by selling them. There is simply, absolutely,

\r?\n> >no money in paying to restore a bike, then selling it. At least not

\r?\n> >if you pay to have it done properly by one of the highly skilled

\r?\n> >people on this list, including Brian. Perhaps a restorer might make

\r?\n> >a bit of money by buying and restoring frames himself, or at least

\r?\n> >make something for his time. But this would only make sense if he

\r?\n> >had idle time on his hands. As long as he has plenty of orders, he

\r?\n> >will do MUCH better by simply doing restorations for paying

\r?\n> >customers.