I sure hope your post was not in response to either of mine, especially the later. I made it quite clear that I saw PY-10s for what they are: functional racing bikes with real racing heritage. Like I said, I'd like to own one like Anderson's. Like I also said, I don't even own any exceptionally well-made bikes. I see all that perfect lug stuff for what it is. Art bikes as you put it, with little or no functional advantage. But I also stand by my asertion that such bikes are objectively better crafted than mass-produced PY-10's, cool as PY-10s may be.