The Spence Wolf '58 Cinelli Mod. B I just sold on eBay had ALL Italian parts. I greatly doubt that Spence would have built up a bike using, for example, an Agrati cottered crank set and pedals etc. Check out the other equipment in closed auction #7171333080. Obviously imported as a complete bicycle - not a frame set.
Martin Needleman Annapolis, MD
Quoting Joe Bender-Zanoni <joebz@optonline.net>:
> Notable about this is that the cranks and brakes were only available for
> a short period in the early 60's. So Spence must have bought a few and
> doled them out over the years. The cranks are neat because of the
> chainline adjustibility (not much, but you don't need much) and why
> Mafac stopped making the Top and Tiger brakes after they had the tooling
> I will never understand.
>
> Joe Bender-Zanoni
> Great Notch, NJ
>
>
> rudy43norvelle@comcast.net wrote:
>
> >My Cinelli SC which I purchased from Spence Wolf in 1969 Has TA
> Cottered/Cotterless Cranks Mafac Top "63" Brakes with Weinmann levers. The
> only Campagnolo items were the hubs, derrailuers, seat post, bottom bracket
> (part of it) and head set. Also the Pedals. Of course that was before
> Campagnolo had brakes so that part doesn't count.
> >
> >Rudy Norvelle
> >San Jose, CA
> >
> >p.s. I still have all the original parts.
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >>Peter Kohler wrote, in part:
> >>
> >>
> >>"Well folks can "believe" anything they want! But pray tell
> >>what was non
> >>Italian manufacture on most Italian racing bikes c.
> >>1960-80s? My Cinelli SC
> >>does have a Brooks saddle. The rest is tutti Italiani.
> >>
> >>The only foreign bit on a PX-10 is what? Well the Reynolds
> >>tubing! Or maybe
> >>the Brooks saddle if that's what was fitted.
> >>
> >>Today of course it's quite different but CR period bikes...
> >>yep, that's
> >>Italian. Or French. Not belief or opinion. Just the list of
> >>components."
> >>*****
> >>
> >>Uh. Many Cinellis shipped out as frames only. Local shops
> >>built them up to taste. I have a very interesting 1950s
> >>Cinelli *B* formerly owned by Carsten Rehbein and Jack
> >>Bissell that was built up by a famous Berlin shop (name
> >>escapes me at the moment, the bike is not available for me
> >>to check), with a mix of stuff. It's exactly as pictured in
> >>the shop's catalog of the time. Simplex TdF derailleurs,
> >>with a suicide front, among other things. This bike won
> >>best-in-show at the 2004 Cirque. Hardly all-italian in any
> >>case.
> >>
> >>This continued well into the 60s... Spence Wolff built up
> >>many Cinelli frames with a mix of parts, including Phil Wood
> >>hubs, if I remember right. Someone correct me if I don't...
> >>
> >>Charles Andrews
> >>SoCal
> >>
> >>"What concerns me is not the way things are,
> >>but rather the way people think things are."
> >>
> >>- Epictitus
> >>
> >>
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