Re: [CR]How do you define original?

(Example: Framebuilders:Chris Pauley)

Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 15:32:29 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
From: "Nick Zatezalo" <nickzz@mindspring.com>
To: marcgarcia80@ameritech.net
Subject: Re: [CR]How do you define original?
cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

Most all catalogues/literature has a disclaimer similar to this:

We reserve the right to change specifications without notice.

Original according to what? As built or as specified?

Nick Zatezalo Atlanta,Ga

-----Original Message----- From: marc garcia <marcgarcia80@ameritech.net> Sent: Aug 2, 2005 3:19 PM To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]How do you define original?

I've been reading the cinelli posts, but haven't responded since I don't own one. But I was intrigued by the posts talking about these frames being built up with TA parts, etc when that wassn't what was listed in the catalogs. It's a similar situation to my raleigh record ace. The catalog says the bike comes stock with simplex super lj derailleurs but the original owner of this bike placed his order he specifically asked for suntour vgt derailleurs and he gave me the receipts and paperwork to prove it. So then I ask you, is the bike in original state as I have it now with simplex super lj derailleurs or was it when I bought it from the original owner and it still had the suntour vgt derailleurs he asked for? As a matter of fact when I first contacted him about his for sale ad him and I had a bit of an argument about this very question, since I wanted the bike I let him have the last word which was pretty much, "Well, it's original to me."

I think you can make the argument either way, so I guess I'll take the easier way out and say it's a matter of personal opinion. I would tend to opt for the catalog specs. Any thoughts?

BTW, I was in the local shop a few weeks ago and I noticed a scratched up, slightly rusted bike up on one of the work stands. I didn't pay much attention to it first but then after all the workers were staring at me (they all know I'm into vintage road bikes) waiting for my reaction I noticed the headbadge and asked, "Holy @#!* is that a cinelli?" It was and it was in a bit of a sad state. It was a SC that belongs to a woman who rides it all year round even during winter and despite the shop workers' pleas refuses to put fenders on it. It's great because it's being ridden, but it's sad because at least in my opinion it's not being properly cared for. I don't want to say that it's not cherished but... That's another argument.

marc garcia chicago IL

BTW, I did leave my business card for the owner but i haven't heard from her and probably won't.