[CR]One extra point, re "ebay outing: claude butler track frame"


Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 18:23:32 -0800 (PST)
From: Fred Rafael Rednor <fred_rednor@yahoo.com>
To: Fred Rafael Rednor <fred_rednor@yahoo.com>, Classic Rendezvous Bike List <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
In-Reply-To: <20051107021218.87238.qmail@web30614.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Subject: [CR]One extra point, re "ebay outing: claude butler track frame"

One other thing worth mentioning is that I think there sometimes is confusion about British frames because they were often built for use with multi-speed hubs. So even a multi-speed road bicycle might have had rear facing fork ends.

British experts, is that a good guess?
     Once again... cheers,
     Fred Rednor - Arlington, Virginia (USA)


--- Fred Rafael Rednor wrote:


> Galen,
> I think there is still a bit of confusion about the term
> "path racer". If you search the archives I'm sure you'll
> find
> messages from Hilary Stone and/or Mick Butler and/or Bob Reid
> (and who knows who else) explaining that "path racer" is an
> obsolete British term for "track racing bicycle".
> If I recall the story correctly, there was such a thing as
> a
> "road-path" bicycle which was something you could race on
> either the track or road with a suitable change of rear
> wheels
> (and removal/re-installation) of the brakes.
> But the discussion of top tube lengths that are typicle of
> British bicycles - that's a different story... :-D
> Cheers,
> Fred Rednor - Arlington, Virginia (USA)
>
> --- galen pewtherer <dolface@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> http://cgi.ebay.com/CLAUD-BUTLER-LUGLESS-TRACK-FRAME_W0QQitemZ7195007420QQc
> > ategoryZ22679QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
> >
> > it's listed as a track frame, and the measurements seem to
> > bear that
> > out (st is 24.5" and tt is 22") but it's drilled for front
> > and rear
> > brakes.
> >
> > (i wondered initially if it was a path racer, but from
> other
> > posts to
> > the list i've gathered that path racers tend to have tt's
> > that are
> > longer than the st. i'd be interested in hearing any
> comments
> > about
> > the reason for that, if anyone cares to weigh in).
> >
> > from what little i know of british this was normal for the
> > time, is
> > that correct?
> >
> > usual disclaimers apply: no relation to seller, i was out
> of
> > town that
> > weekend, it must have been that other fellow who looks like
> > me, etc.
> >
> > galen pewtherer
> > san francisco, ca

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