Re: [CR]Lenticular "Pino" wheel

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From: "Steve Leitgen" <sleitgen@charter.net>
Subject: Re: [CR]Lenticular "Pino" wheel
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:30:59 -0600
To: Neil Crawford <crawdad1959@yahoo.ca>
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One of Pino's setups had spokes threaded at both ends. The one end threaded into the hub flange and the other had what appeared to be spoke nipples threaded inside and out. The nipples had a lock nut that pressed against the outside of the rim. Hope I got that right. I'm dealing with 25 year old memories. Behringer had a pair hanging in his shop. Must have been a bugger to true.

On an aside I doubt that the red Pino bike is a Titanium Pin-Behr. Cecil always said when they vacu-brazed the frames they back filled the furnace with Nitrogen. It gave the Titanium a surface layer of Titanium Nitride. (The same stuff found on premium drill bits). This made the bikes a gold color. A real bugger to get paint to stick to it. He also preferred 3-2.5 Titanium. It was easier to braze.

Steve Leitgen La Crosse, WI

On Nov 22, 2005, at 8:10 AM, Neil Crawford wrote:
> I had a pino seat post in the late 70's realy light. Tell me about his
> wheel building with the lock nuts on the spoke nipples. The guy was
> way ahead of his time.
>
> Crawdad
>
> "g.boggs" <g.boggs@comcast.net> wrote:
> Pino had nothing to do with that "Lentil" bike. He was present at
> the time
> of testing, with a bike of his own, which is the coventional track
> bike that
> is on the CR Pino page. That bike, which was built in the "Centro
> Studio" at
> the Olympic Velodrome, made it's way back to Detroit (Warren) where I
> first
> saw it. I used to ride it around Pino's neighborhood....This was back
> in
> 1987/88. Pino was going back to and forth to Italy, bringing frames
> when he
> returned to the States. The track bike , My 58cm road bike and a road
> bike
> in grey primer that he said was built for Sarroni were memorable.
> There are
> two floating around with Ron Finch http://www.finchscustoms.com/ paint
> jobs
> but no one knows who's got them. They ended up as team bikes for the
> Flying
> Rhino CC and have vanished.
> I believe this track bike along with the Pi-Behr Ti track bike is
> still in
> the possesion of Marcella, his daughter.
> The red bike that Pino is holding in the photo on CR is one of the
> Pino-Cecil Behringer 6-4 Titanium bikes. It has a Magnesium seat post
> and
> seat frame like the one on Merckx's hour record bike. It weighs 11 1/2
> lbs
> if I remember correctly. I never rode that one...Too damn expensive! I
> was
> a mechanic at Kinetic Systems in Clarkston, where I met Pino. We used
> to
> hang out.
> Greg Boggs
> Waterford, MI
>
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> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 8:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [CR]Lenticular "Pino" wheel
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>
>> So the wheel is not made by Pino, OK ... but the BIKE was made by
>> Pino,
>> right? Anyone have the long story on this one? Was he in Detroit or
>> Italy when
>> this was built ... and when was it?
>>
>> Greg supplied the photo from Dale's Pino page here:
>>
>>
>> Ciao,
>> Mark Agree
>> Southfield MI USA
>> ~ ~ ~
>>
>>
>> Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 07:56:43 -0500
>> From: "g.boggs"
>> Subject: [CR]Lenticular "Pino" wheel
>>
>> The wheel depicted in the photo found here
>> http://www.classicrendezvous.com/images/USA/components/Pino_1s.jpg is
>> wrongly attributed to Pino Morroni. Pino himself told me this was not
>> his work.
>> I believe this wheel to be the invention of the famous Itallian
>> biomechanics wiz, Antonio Dal Monte. I have the newspaper article from
>> IL Messagero from 1987 as well as photos provided to me by Pino
>> (autographed by himself and Moser).
>> Greg Boggs
>>
>>
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