[CR]RE: Nishiki Columbus


From: "Michael Hendricks" <mhendricks40@earthlink.net>
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:57:05 -0800
Subject: [CR]RE: Nishiki Columbus

I have one of these. Whether made by Viner, Olmo, Colnago or whether it's the Cervino or Maxima model it rides nicely. All Super Record, SL tubing throughout and from one of the previous posts, sounds like the Cervino model. I estimate it as a late 83 or a for sure 84 based on the PAT. 83 on the rear SR derailleur and the dating on the Strada crankarm. I can send you pics if you'd like or maybe there's some place I can post them. Nice bike.

Michael Hendricks San Jose, Ca.


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> 1. Nishiki Columbus???
> 2. RE: Re: "Pino" wheels - Now: the tri-nutted version
> (Mark Bulgier)
> 3. History of Bianchi and Specialissimo Model (charles nighbor)
> 4. Rims
> 5. Re: Re: "Pino" wheels - Now: the tri-nutted version (g.boggs)
> 6. WTB: Ideale 2001 saddle (P.C. Kohler)
> 7. Re: Rims (P.C. Kohler)
> 8. Old third hand, new Park 3rd. (Bianca Pratorius)
> 9. Re: chainring bolt removal tool, was Re: [CR]evolution of
> chainringbolts (ternst)
> 10. Re: Nishiki Columbus?
> 11. Re: Bianchi Lettering changed when? (Aldo Ross)
> 12. dating campagnolo sport... (Harvey M Sachs)
> 13. NOS 1983 Jack Taylor tandem pics
> 14. Re: dating campagnolo sport... (Chuck Schmidt)
> 15. Re: dating campagnolo sport... (ternst)
> 16. Re: Rude comments on Wool Jersey gallery (Peter Naiman)
> 17. Re: History of Bianchi and Specialissimo Model (Chuck Schmidt)
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> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:52:37 -0500
> From: <saint09@bellsouth.net>
> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Nishiki Columbus???
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> Carlos,
> Not wanting to stir up an old debate, but there was once a mention that some Nishikis were actually made by Colnago. I also heard that that wasn't true, that they were made by Viner. In either case, it's a probability that they may have used Columbus tubing. Other listmembers may know the real story, also check the archives.
> Fred Durrette
> Summerville, SC
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:53:00 -0800
> From: "Mark Bulgier" <Mark@bulgier.net>
> To: "John Jorgensen" <designzero@earthlink.net>,
> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: RE: [CR]Re: "Pino" wheels - Now: the tri-nutted version
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> John Jorgensen wrote:
> >
> > Pino did boast that his earlier wheels could be ridden down
> > stairs though.
>
> Hmm, are there wheels that can't be ridden down stairs?
>
> I have ridden plenty of wheels down stairs - "courthouse" or campus
> stairs anyway. Never heard of a wheel that couldn't take it, given
> reasonable rim weight and spoke count for the rider's weight. For
> instance I rode 36 spoke Arc En Ciel rims with normal tubulars down such
> stairs when I weighed ~175 lb. I wouldn't have tried that with my
> Medaille d'Or rims, but a lighter rider could. (Some skill required)
>
> The tire is usually what determines how steep a stair you can ride down,
> how fast - pinch flats will happen long before the wheel collapses,
> again for any reasonably built wheel.
>
> While I too admired Pino's inventiveness, I am skeptical of using wires
> as compression members*, and take the marketing comments as just that.
>
> *Aside from the compression effect you get by decreasing the tension on
> a pre-tensioned spoke - that is real. I mean pushing on a spoke that
> has no tension left, which is what those Pino spoke nuts are about. I
> think they are nuts!
>
> Mark Bulgier
> Seattle WA USA
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:54:56 -0800
> From: "charles nighbor" <cnighbor@pacbell.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]History of Bianchi and Specialissimo Model
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> I am looking at a early 80's Bianchi Specialissimo Model FS and know
> very little about Bianchi's and there various models. Is this model near
> the top of their line?
> And were can I get more information? I seen the one model on CR site.
> Any other places to look
> Charles Nighbor
> Walnut Creek, CA
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 20:01:21 -0500
> From: <saint09@bellsouth.net>
> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Rims
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> Alright gang,
> I have two pairs of old Campy Record hubs (36 hole) that are in almost mint condition (never built up). I'm asking for recommendations on good high quality, vintage, tubular rims to build complete wheelsets. The only criteria is that the rims be somewhat readily available. Thanks.
> Fred Durrette
> Summerville, SC
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 20:05:20 -0500
> From: "g.boggs" <g.boggs@comcast.net>
> To: "Mark Bulgier" <Mark@bulgier.net>,
> "John Jorgensen" <designzero@earthlink.net>,
> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Re: "Pino" wheels - Now: the tri-nutted version
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> I'd have to agree about spokes in compression and I'm sure Pino eventually
> came to this conclusion as well as the later incarnations of his wheels had
> spokes that were .125".
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Bulgier" <Mark@bulgier.net>
> To: "John Jorgensen" <designzero@earthlink.net>;
> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 7:53 PM
> Subject: RE: [CR]Re: "Pino" wheels - Now: the tri-nutted version
>
>
> >
> > John Jorgensen wrote:
> >>
> >> Pino did boast that his earlier wheels could be ridden down
> >> stairs though.
> >
> > Hmm, are there wheels that can't be ridden down stairs?
> >
> > I have ridden plenty of wheels down stairs - "courthouse" or campus
> > stairs anyway. Never heard of a wheel that couldn't take it, given
> > reasonable rim weight and spoke count for the rider's weight. For
> > instance I rode 36 spoke Arc En Ciel rims with normal tubulars down such
> > stairs when I weighed ~175 lb. I wouldn't have tried that with my
> > Medaille d'Or rims, but a lighter rider could. (Some skill required)
> >
> > The tire is usually what determines how steep a stair you can ride down,
> > how fast - pinch flats will happen long before the wheel collapses,
> > again for any reasonably built wheel.
> >
> > While I too admired Pino's inventiveness, I am skeptical of using wires
> > as compression members*, and take the marketing comments as just that.
> >
> > *Aside from the compression effect you get by decreasing the tension on
> > a pre-tensioned spoke - that is real. I mean pushing on a spoke that
> > has no tension left, which is what those Pino spoke nuts are about. I
> > think they are nuts!
> >
> > Mark Bulgier
> > Seattle WA USA
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> Now that I am the owner of two, yes, two Peugeots, the latest being a 1981
> CFN-10 frameset, I am looking to purchase:
>
> Ideale 2001 saddle
>
> Simplex badged fluted alloy seatpost 26.6 mm
>
> Spidel (Maillard) 700 Professional low-flange 36 hole hubs
>
> Peter Kohler
> Washington DC USA
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 20:13:10 -0500
> From: "P.C. Kohler" <kohl57@starpower.net>
> To: <saint09@bellsouth.net>, <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Rims
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> My recommendation, without hesitation, Mavic Monthlery Legere. Traditional,
> polished alloy, light, narrow profile and race worthy. I have these on my
> '75 Raleigh Team Pro (32-hole), thanks to Eric Elman... brilliant riding,
> good stuff.
>
> I posted an eBay link to some of these currently on offer. But they are from
> the UK. Worth the cost in my opinion.
>
> Peter Kohler
> Washington DC USA
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 20:24:57 -0500
> From: Bianca Pratorius <biankita@earthlink.net>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Old third hand, new Park 3rd.
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> I used to work in a bike store doing the crap work. I ordered parts,
> changed chains, new cables, bar taping, new brake pads, install bottle
> cages, adjust derailleurs , new tires and tubes, true wheels etc. I did
> nothing complicated or delicate like align frames, install bottom
> brackets, headsets, build wheels or the like. It seemed that I did a
> lot of simple brake work and I remembered the 3rd hand tool worked like
> a dream. I just bought a new Park BT-5 and it seems to slip about half
> the time now even though I crank down on the little knob. Is this a
> quality issue with new Park vs. older tools, or is it operator error?
>
> Garth Libre in Miami Fl.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:53:42 -0800
> From: "ternst" <ternst1@cox.net>
> To: "ternst" <ternst1@cox.net>, <hsachs@alumni.rice.edu>,
> <freesound@comcast.net>,
> "Classic Rendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: chainring bolt removal tool, was Re: [CR]evolution of
> chainringbolts
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> Gentlemen: All the chainring bolt tools are sold. Thanks.
>
> This now raises the question that all of this is Harvey Sachs' doing.
>
> With my padded bag scenario does it now mean that we have a brand new
> meaning of a Harvey Wallbanger?
>
> Do our home mechanics have any relation to Red Skeleton's Mean Widdle Kid
> who used to get yelled at to stop banging his head on the wall before he
> broke the bulb in the refrigerator?
>
> Ted Ernst
> Palos Verdes Estates, CA
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ternst" <ternst1@cox.net>
> To: <hsachs@alumni.rice.edu>; <freesound@comcast.net>; "Classic Rendezvous"
> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 3:33 PM
> Subject: Re: chainring bolt removal tool, was Re: [CR]evolution of
> chainringbolts
>
>
> > Hey guys: I just happen to have 9 (nine) NOS-NIB Genuine Shimano chainring
> > bolt prong tools. These have the nice centering position guide.
> > $4 postage paid to you.
> > I'll ship in nice padded bag, which you can pin onto your workshop wall.
> > Then if you slip off the chainring bolt you can bang your head on the bag
> > so you won't do further cranial damage. The first damage is when you
> > skinned your knuckles, jerked your head up and hit the bike stand.
> > Get one while they last.
> > PMO., Check, coin of realm, piece of eight. NO Paypal.
> > Please send your address.
> > Ted Ernst
> > 4140 Via Nivel
> > Palos Verdes Estates,
> > CA 90274
> > 310-791-5521
> > Ted Ernst
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Harvey M Sachs" <sachshm@cox.net>
> > To: <freesound@comcast.net>; "Classic Rendezvous"
> > <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 2:53 PM
> > Subject: chainring bolt removal tool, was Re: [CR]evolution of chainring
> > bolts
> >
> >
> >> As you might surmise, Suguino improved on the Campy tool, which likes to
> >> wander out of its position. The Suguino version has a small prong that
> >> locates the tool better, by sticking into the hole between the slots.
> >> Duh. They just might have committed the remarkably rare act of watching
> >> users try to do the task before going to market?
> >>
> >> Ah, Campy! love to hate 'em. Some of the best and some of the worst
> >> designs ever.
> >>
> >> harvey sachs
> >> mcLean va
> >> +++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>
> >> Dear 'com,
> >>
> >> There is a Campy "special tool" that holds the rear side of the bolt
> >> steady while you torque the Allen wrench. It's not expensive. Also
> >> using it is another coordination challenge, IMHO.
> >>
> >> Ken Freeman
> >>
> (http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/rdf1249/album?.dir=6466)
>
> I have one more of these tandems available if you might have interest. It
> is 21/20 and white. Still wrapped in the original wrapping from the Taylors.
> $1600 plus shipping. List members have purchased three of them from me. CR
> is a great venue!
>
>
> Bob Freeman
> Elliott Bay Bicycles
> 2116 Western Ave
> Seattle, WA 98121
> 206-441-8144
> Home of Davidson Handbuilt Bicycles
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:06:47 -0800
> From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]dating campagnolo sport...
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> Harvey Sachs states:
>
> The Sport required a small spring-stop hole in the rear drop-out,
> centered above the derailleur mounting bolt.
>
> and Chuck Schmidt replies:
> The Cambio Sport came assembled to a bolt-on derailleur hanger (claw)
> and for this reason didn't require a drop-out with a spring-stop hole.
> The claw could be omitted from the Cambio Sport when mounted to a
> Campagnolo drop-out with the requisite derailleur hanger and spring-stop hole.
>
> Picture of Cambio Sport derailleur:
> <http://homepage3.nifty.com/ClassicBicycles/brands/components/CampySport.JPG
>
>
> Chuck Schmidt
> South Pasadena, Southern California
> http://www.velo-retro.com (timelines, reprints & t-shirts)
>
> .
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:16:29 -0800
> From: "ternst" <ternst1@cox.net>
> To: <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>, <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]dating campagnolo sport...
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> And sport meant just that.
> They were made for the stock commuter, about town shift best with close
> range 3-sp cluster, 1/8" chain.
> With a sporty chainguard and fender skirt nets it made for the ideal go to
> work- market bike.
> It was never designed for anything else, and was Italy's answer to the
> Sturmey 3-sp.
> It shifted so-so and for knocking about at low speed was just fine.
> If you didn't know any better.
> Ted Ernst
> Palos Verdes Estates, CA
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chuck Schmidt" <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 7:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [CR]dating campagnolo sport...
>
>
> > Harvey Sachs states:
> >
> > The Sport required a small spring-stop hole in the rear drop-out,
> > centered above the derailleur mounting bolt.
> >
> > and Chuck Schmidt replies:
> > The Cambio Sport came assembled to a bolt-on derailleur hanger (claw)
> > and for this reason didn't require a drop-out with a spring-stop hole.
> > The claw could be omitted from the Cambio Sport when mounted to a
> > Campagnolo drop-out with the requisite derailleur hanger and spring-stop
> > hole.
> >
> > Picture of Cambio Sport derailleur:
> > <http://homepage3.nifty.com/ClassicBicycles/brands/components/CampySport.JPG
>
> >
> > Chuck Schmidt
> > South Pasadena, Southern California
> > http://www.velo-retro.com (timelines, reprints & t-shirts)
> >
> > .
> To: marcus.e.helman@gm.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Rude comments on Wool Jersey gallery
> Message-ID: <20051123031843.40033.qmail@web30913.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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> Marcus; I found those comments on Wool Jersey, erased them and took away the ability for others to leave comments for now. I believe that I know who left the comments, but I won't sink to the level of the person who sind their name as "me". That person is the only person who is blocked from sending me emails, but I won't reveal his or her name. This is my way of remaining a gentleman.
>
> I've recieved quite a few nice comments from friends on the CR List about the Rotrax. It is a stunningly beautiful cycle. I've a few changes to make in time, but I was so thrilled to get the Rotrax back, I built it up quickly, and so I could post the photos on Wool Jersey. I had traded the frame last year to friend Keith Helon, who many met last year at Cirque, but since trading I'd regretted doing so. A few weeks ago Keith agreed to return the frame to me in another trade with the set of Campag/Dunlop wheels you see on the gallery shots.
>
> I need to get back to a few who wrote me about the Rotrax. It was sold to me on Ebay as a Super Course, but Keith did the research and verified it to be a Service de Course as indicated in the Transfers on the top tube. Knowing it had been refinished, I wasn't sure what to make of the Service de Course transfer, and wasn't concerned about it. The photos on the Ebay auction page did not show those transfers. Both Peter Brown and Neill Currie sent over jpgs of their Super Course, and Peter wondered what the difference was between my frame and his as they appear to be identical. Neill wrote that the Super Course started production in 1951. If correct it means the Service de Course was produced through 1950/51 and was replaced by the Super Course. I need to look closer to check for minor differences.
>
> Best regards, Peter Naiman
> Glendale, WI
>
> marcus.e.helman@gm.com wrote:
> Peter Naiman wrote:
>
> Just finished my 1950 Rotrax Service de Course and posted some jpgs on the
> Wool Jersey Gallery if anyone wants to check out this lovely cycle. The URL
> to the gallery page is below. If you double click on each photo you can
> enlarge each photo to screen size and more.
>
> http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/50-Rotrax-Service-de-Course
>
>
> I went to the page, and was really dismayed to find a series of rude
> comments from someone who signed his/her name "me." Not only rude, but in
> some cases ignorant. I hope the comments did not come from a CR member. I
> wonder if it is possible to erase them.
>
> Marcus Helman
> Huntington Woods, MI