Re: [CR]ebay outing: 1950s automoto

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Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 11:18:54 -0800 (PST)
From: "Fred Rafael Rednor" <fred_rednor@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [CR]ebay outing: 1950s automoto
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
In-Reply-To: <4AF9C2C4-4B03-11DA-ABF0-00039356BD92@ivycycles.com>


Brandon, Some people would say the term refers to a type of salad but that wouldn't have any bearing on this Automoto's frame style. :-D In my experience and recollection (and I'm certain you will find this to be true if you look through some old bicycle catalogues), a frame in which the top tube is parallel to the down tube - as is the case with this Automoto - is a "lady's" frame and definitely NOT a "mixte". Perhaps a "mixte" need not have the twin lateral tubes but as far as bicycling parlance is concerned, I would say that without question, to be a "mixte" the angle of the top tube(s) must lie somewhere between being parallel to the down tube and parallel to the ground plane. An extra set of stays might be part of the bargain, as well. You might look at some old Peugeot, Motobecane and Raleigh catalogues, or you can look at this: http://sheldonbrown.com/gloss_m.html#mixte Best regards, Fred Rednor - Arlington, Virginia (USA)
> I would have to disagree 100% with both of you. Since the
> word means
> mixed it can mean any things. Some people would say it means
> mixed
> tubing meaning twin-lateral tubes, but it can also mean a
> mixed design.
> The Automoto frame is 99% the same tubing and parts as the
> standard
> frame, thus it is a mixed design frame. Until someone can
> come up with
> a legitimate and factual historical document that says a
> mixte frame
> has only twin-laterals I think using the term mixte to
> describe a step-through design is just fine.
> best,
> Brandon"monkeyman"Ives
> Loves and builds mixte
> frames in Vancouver, B.C.
>
> On Monday, Oct 31, 2005, at 16:02 US/Pacific, Fred Rafael
> Rednor wrote:
>
> >> I would like to suggest that this frame is
> >> not a mixte. It seems to be a standard
> >> ladies frame design. A mixte as I learned
> >> it was a "semi" ladies frame...
> >
> > I have to agree with Ted, 100%. Consider what "mixte"
> means:
> > i.e. "mixed" or "mixture" - or as Ted describes it, a
> "semi"
> > ladies frame...
> > Cheers,
> > Fred Rednor - Arlington, Virginia (USA)
> >
> >
> >
> >
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