Re: [CR]Constructeurs? NOW Wave of the future

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Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 16:51:55 GMT
Subject: Re: [CR]Constructeurs? NOW Wave of the future


Again, another strike! I truely appreciate the contribution that Grant has made to aiding in the change in perspective about bicycles. Some of the changes I completely disagree with (like extended headtubes, redicul ous) but others are very positive. He must be given credit for what he h as done for all of us. Yes, the bike setup is clumsey and very pedestria n and there is little harmony in that way; and yet it works and is right for some poeple. The genuine constructeur bicycle is a remarkable piece of design and craftsmanship and will occupy a catagory of it's own, not to be confused with the other approach. Look for them to try to follow this trend also.

Brian Baylis
La Mesa, CA

-- wrote:

Grant's bikes were an effort to solve some of the problems, but his non- integrated approach makes the bike's use combersome. Rear bags hanging off seats (hitting the riders behind), zip-tied fenders, no provision fo r internal lighting systems. Sure his bikes address the issues in a rou ndabout way, but but the whole is ungainly and not as seemless to the ri der.

The construteur approach gets it all in a nice package with no excuses. And the advantage is the constructeur bike offers endless opportunties for the craftsmanship and innovation that folks like Peter Weigle, Bruce Gordon - and shorty Brian Baylis can wow us with.

Mike Kone in Boulder CO

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> Mike Kone says: "So its not fancy lugs, its not about being part of a

> trend, its about the best tool for the job. It just so happens that th e job
> these
> bikes are best at, is the same job that most people mistakenly purchas e
> ultra light race bikes to accomplish. They are buying the wrong tool. When
> this
> becomes more understood, contructeur type integrated bikes will gain t he
> recognition they deserve."
> But, hasn't Grant at Rivendell advocated this sort of bike for years?

> The integrated bike on the other hand is more than just a frame with p arts.
> Bruce Gordon's integrated racks, Peter Weigel and Mike Barry's offerin gs
> have done it. I'm anxious to see whether that is what Brian is doing o r
> whether it is just a touring frame with bolt on parts. A fully integra ted
> bike,
> ala some of the fine French machines with internally routed electrical
> cables, would be something that would really interest me.
> Lou Deeter, Orlando FL