Re: [CR]Early DuraAce Group on Ebay--good pics, but goup is not complete, nor consistent

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Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:28:57 +0100
From: "Freek Faro" <khun.freek@gmail.com>
To: Mark Bulgier <Mark@bulgier.net>
Subject: Re: [CR]Early DuraAce Group on Ebay--good pics, but goup is not complete, nor consistent
cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

Rear and front derailleur and brake calipers are from the Dura Ace EX group , not AX. It would be interesting if it were a complete AX group, or a mixed group as could be seen on the Capri Sonne team bikes of 1981. (or is it 1982?) Freek Faro Rotterdam Netherlands

2005/11/13, Mark Bulgier <Mark@bulgier.net>:
>
>
> Lou Deeter wrote
> http://ebay.com/<blah>
> >
> > For those of you who haven't seen the large threaded insert
> > on the pedal hole of an early DuraAce crankset, this auction
> > has pictures of both front and back.
>
> Hmm, I guess "early" is a relative term but I vote "not early" on this
> auction. That crank is Dura Ace AX, which came out after a couple
> earlier generations of Dura Ace.
>
> It's worth noting that those pedal adapters are not original - maybe not
> even made by Shimano? The adapters came out later to retrofit the
> cranks to regular pedals, for people who hated or broke (or both) the
> original AX pedals that came with the crank.
>
> Since this group doesn't include pedals, I take issue with the seller
> calling it a "complette vintage shimano dura ace group" - the group is
> not complete without pedals (and brake lever gum hoods). And being a
> mixture of different generations of Dura Ace prevents it from being a
> complete group in my opinion, though I'll grant that's a strict
> definition of group.
>
> In wine making, where the word vintage comes from, when you blend two or
> more years in one bottle, it isn't vintage anymore, it's non-vintage -
> though the result can be very good.
>
> And these parts can be very good and a good value - I'm just picking
> nits about the terminology.
>
> Mark Bulgier
> Seattle WA USA