Re: [CR] modern KOF fillet brazed builders

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From: "Steve Leitgen" <sleitgen@charter.net>
Subject: Re: [CR] modern KOF fillet brazed builders
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 12:39:30 -0600
To: gpvb1@comcast.net
cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

Seeing as how I have a fillet silver brazed Columbus KL frame I did 25 years ago still in my basement the answer would be yes, you can fillet braze with silver. If I remember right you need a higher sliver content brazing rod. The stuff was thicker and didn't flow as well as standard 60-40. It did flow smoother than brass. Less cleanup filing. Also had a lower flow temp so didn't cook the columbus tubing. Columbus apparently doesn't do well over 1450F.

Hope this helps.

Steve Leitgen La Crosse, WI

On Dec 3, 2005, at 11:57 AM, gpvb1@comcast.net wrote:
> Gaaaaah! A dagger to me aged heart! Don't say silver-solder! Claaaass!
> Claaaass! Sister Mary Elephant says please pay attention! ;-)
>
> Frames are brazed. They are not soldered together. Plumbing is
> soldered.
> And Dursley Pedersens don't count, so there! I don't believe that they
> are soldered anyways, so neener, neener, neener!
>
> I'm also not aware of any silver brazing wire that you can
> fillet-braze with. Has that changed recently?
>
> Greg Parker
> Ann Arbor, Michigan
>
> Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 11:26:09 -0500
> From: Angel Garcia <veronaman@gmail.com>
> To: CLASSIC RENDEZVOUS <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR] modern KOF fillet brazed builders
>
> The high end Moser TK2 bikes are fillet braze construction using
> silver
> solder (tubeset is Deda 16.5 EOM steel).
> Angel Garcia
> Verona, Italy
>
>
> On 12/3/05, rodk3d@comcast.net <rodk3d@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> All this talk of fillet brazing has me wondering who the modern KOF
>> fillet
>> brazed builders are. 3 modern builders that come to mind are David
>> Kirk,
>> Jeff Lyon and John Slawta, I'm sure there are many others. What do you
>> owners of newer fillet brazed frames think of them overall?
>>
>> cheers,
>> Rod Kronenberg
>> Fort Collins, CO