What percent silver was your wire? What brand and part number? How did you get your miters good enough to use silver? Without any lugs, the gaps would be even more critical. How did you build a fillet with high-silver-content wire? That sounds a bit fishy to me, unless the silver content was actually quite low.... Professional framebuilders, what say you?
Greg Parker
Ann Arbor, Michigan
> Seeing as how I have a fillet silver brazed Columbus KL frame I did 25 > years ago still in my basement the answer would be yes, you can fillet
\r?\n> braze with silver. If I remember right you need a higher sliver content
\r?\n> brazing rod. The stuff was thicker and didn't flow as well as standard
\r?\n> 60-40. It did flow smoother than brass. Less cleanup filing. Also had a
\r?\n> lower flow temp so didn't cook the columbus tubing. Columbus apparently doesn't do well over 1450F.
\r?\n>
\r?\n> Hope this helps.
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\r?\n> Steve Leitgen
\r?\n> La Crosse, WI
\r?\n>
\r?\n> On Dec 3, 2005, at 11:57 AM, gpvb1@comcast.net wrote:
\r?\n>
\r?\n> > Gaaaaah! A dagger to me aged heart! Don't say silver-solder! Claaaass!
\r?\n> > Claaaass! Sister Mary Elephant says please pay attention! ;-)
\r?\n> >
\r?\n> > Frames are brazed. They are not soldered together. Plumbing is
\r?\n> > soldered.
\r?\n> > And Dursley Pedersens don't count, so there! I don't believe that they
\r?\n> > are soldered anyways, so neener, neener, neener!
\r?\n> >
\r?\n> > I'm also not aware of any silver brazing wire that you can
\r?\n> > fillet-braze with. Has that changed recently?
\r?\n> >
\r?\n> > Greg Parker
\r?\n> > Ann Arbor, Michigan
\r?\n> >
\r?\n> > Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 11:26:09 -0500
\r?\n> > From: Angel Garcia
\r?\n> > To: CLASSIC RENDEZVOUS
\r?\n> > Subject: Re: [CR] modern KOF fillet brazed builders
\r?\n> >
\r?\n> > The high end Moser TK2 bikes are fillet braze construction using
\r?\n> > silver
\r?\n> > solder (tubeset is Deda 16.5 EOM steel).
\r?\n> > Angel Garcia
\r?\n> > Verona, Italy
\r?\n> >
\r?\n> >
\r?\n> > On 12/3/05, rodk3d@comcast.net wrote:
\r?\n> >
\r?\n> >> All this talk of fillet brazing has me wondering who the modern KOF
\r?\n> >> fillet
\r?\n> >> brazed builders are. 3 modern builders that come to mind are David
\r?\n> >> Kirk,
\r?\n> >> Jeff Lyon and John Slawta, I'm sure there are many others. What do you
\r?\n> >> owners of newer fillet brazed frames think of them overall?
\r?\n> >>
\r?\n> >> cheers,
\r?\n> >> Rod Kronenberg
\r?\n> >> Fort Collins, CO