Re: [CR]ebay outing: Hilary's Rotrax--and a new thread?

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From: <"brianbaylis@juno.com">
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 02:54:43 GMT
To: chasds@mindspring.com
Subject: Re: [CR]ebay outing: Hilary's Rotrax--and a new thread?
cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

Charles,

Interesting bike. Nice filing of the lug surface; and an interesting lug pattern also. That bike will make someone a fine wife someday. That be ast is my size; but I think you've seen my rack full of personal treasur es that I already haven't enough time to assemble (although in time I wi ll). I'm looking for an AFFORDABLE, not so famous maker vintage randonnu er type bike for my collection. Or maybe I will make my own?? But an exa mple or two of the real thing would be cool someday. Let me save a few b ucks first (yeah right; good luck with that!).

Brian Baylis La Mesa, CA And like Curt says, Grant knows exactly what he's doing. Not sure what t hat means exactly, but he does.


-- "C. Andrews" wrote:


I was looking at this absolutely lovely Rotrax Hilary is selling:

http://tinyurl.com/dgw5b

..wishing it was my size, when it dawned on me.

This is what Rivendell lugs should have looked like. Was this what Grant was going for, and instead ended up with..well..ended up with what we see now?

I have a Rivendell made in 2000; I think it's a nice frame--the ride is superb, for the type, imho--but the lugs seem ill-proportioned, and too thick. I suppose it's just a taste-thing... but does anyone else here think that the earlier lugs that Richard Sachs designed for Grant were better looking, and all subsequent lug-patterns have been less than ideal from an aesthetic point-of-view?

I will say the lugs for the Glorius and Wilbury frames have a certain appeal..kinda like old Torpado lugs, if I remember right.

Looking at this Rotrax made me realize what Rivendell lugs *could* have looked like.. and that seems sad to me. If one is going to go to the trouble and expense to design and make fancy cast lugs of the kind Grant seems to prefer, the Rotrax proportions seem about perfect.

I'm talking purely about the shorelines and proportions of the lugs. The nice filing seen on the Rotrax lugs would be tough to do on the cast Riv lugs..

Charles "rivendell will probably ban me from their list for this" Andrews SoCal

"No set of mutually inconsistent observations can exist for which some human intellect cannot conceive a coherent explanation, however complicated."

-- Crabtree's Bludgeon (one of the various invalidations of
Occam's Razor)