I'm looking to buy a 80's Trek 620 or 720 with all original parts. Frame size would be a 60cm. I would also consider a frame only if it's in good shape.
Michael Hendricks San Jose, Ca. 95126
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> Date: 12/19/2005 2:13:08 PM
> Subject: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 36, Issue 96
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> Today's Topics:
>
> 1. 05 Velo Rendezvous Bicycle of the Week
> 2. re: dating a Zeus
> 3. Re: re: dating a Zeus (Jerome & Elizabeth Moos)
> 4. Umezawa KOF track bike (Sadiq Gill)
> 5. RE: re: dating a Zeus (David Bilenkey)
> 6. RE: re: dating a Zeus ->Ambrosio logo and Akront ribbed rims
> (David Bilenkey)
> 7. Stem Diameters (Ron Gurth)
> 8. Re: Stem Diameters (Sheldon Brown)
> 9. Pics sought of the two types of Campag Titanium BB spindles
> (David Bilenkey)
> 10. Registering on WoolJersey site? (Mitch Harris)
> 11. RE: Pics sought of the two types of Campag Titanium BB spindles
> (David Bilenkey)
> 12. Re: RE: Dawes "Dalesman" (Ty R Doleman)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:06:12 -0800
> From: <velorosso@charter.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]05 Velo Rendezvous Bicycle of the Week
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> For 2005 year-end, featuring the Fancy Lugged British award winner
presented by Charles Andrews. An early 1950's Ephgrave in Red. Terrific!
>
> So how does one pronounce Ephgrave?? Eppy-grave; Eff-grave, Ep-grave,
Epff-grave???
>
> Enjoy!
>
> http://www.wooljersey.com/
>
> John Siemsen San Luis Obispo, CA
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:28:54 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
> From: chasds@mindspring.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]re: dating a Zeus
> Message-ID:
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>
> Dave B wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> Have a look at the following if you have a minute (or more):
>
> http://www.wooljersey.com/
>
> I've tentatively dated it as a '74 but I wonder if anyone with more Zeus
> knowledge could determine anything more specific. The person I
> purchased
> it
> from said he thought it was from ~'76 but wasn't sure.
>
> Can anyone help?
>
> Thanks,
>
> David
>
> ********
>
> Hm. Methinks that there bike is on the small side for whoever's riding
it....
>
> Charles Andrews
> SoCal
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:42:41 -0800 (PST)
> From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
> To: chasds@mindspring.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]re: dating a Zeus
> Message-ID: <20051219204241.47100.qmail@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> In-Reply-To:
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>
> One clue I forgot to mention in my previous responses. The bike has the
same Ambrosio bars as my 1968 Zeus Olympic. Rather unusual in that the
engraving is quite far from the stem, so that taping as high as is
customary today will cover most or all of the engraving. All this supports
the Listmeister's estimate of 1970 +/- a year. I might expand that very
slightly to "very late 60's to very early 70's".
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry Moos
> Big Spring, TX
>
> chasds@mindspring.com wrote:
> Dave B wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> Have a look at the following if you have a minute (or more):
>
> http://www.wooljersey.com/
>
> I've tentatively dated it as a '74 but I wonder if anyone with more Zeus
> knowledge could determine anything more specific. The person I
> purchased
> it
> from said he thought it was from ~'76 but wasn't sure.
>
> Can anyone help?
>
> Thanks,
>
> David
>
> ********
>
> Hm. Methinks that there bike is on the small side for whoever's riding
it....
>
> Charles Andrews
> SoCal
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 15:52:33 -0500
> From: Sadiq Gill <sadiqgill@gmail.com>
> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Umezawa KOF track bike
> Message-ID: <c76dc510512191252w26f2b418k25e25bb64d5ca076@mail.gmail.com>
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>
> Dear List.......
>
> I just posted jpgs of my Umezawa Keirin track bike on wooljersey. It is
> made from (beautifully) lugged Columbus Genius steel tubing. The last few
> pics are of the original steel undrilled fork. If I manage to bring the
> bike to Cirque this year, I'll restore it to original using that original
> fork........
>
> http://www.wooljersey.com/
>
> --
> Sadiq Gill
> Richmond, VA
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 15:55:21 -0500
> From: "David Bilenkey" <dbilenkey@sympatico.ca>
> To: <chasds@mindspring.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: RE: [CR]re: dating a Zeus
> Message-ID: <001501c604de$8685e310$b500a8c0@david372aca8f1>
> In-Reply-To:
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>
> I had the post up to see whether or not it might fit me (it won't), but
then
> it also facilitates clamping in the stand by the post, and not mar the
seat
> tube decals... The saddle to handlebar drop is probably only an inch lower
> than what I normally ride.
>
> David
> --
> David Bilenkey
> Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
> dbilenkey@sympatico.ca
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org
> > [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of
> > chasds@mindspring.com
> > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 3:29 PM
> > To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > Subject: [CR]re: dating a Zeus
> >
> >
> > Hm. Methinks that there bike is on the small side for
> > whoever's riding it....
> >
> > Charles Andrews
> > SoCal
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:16:29 -0500
> From: "David Bilenkey" <dbilenkey@sympatico.ca>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: RE: [CR]re: dating a Zeus ->Ambrosio logo and Akront ribbed rims
> Message-ID: <001f01c604e1$7d562c70$b500a8c0@david372aca8f1>
> In-Reply-To: <20051219204241.47100.qmail@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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> Message: 6
>
> Jerry,
>
> Thanks, I was wondering who else might have noticed those Ambrosio bars
> and
> commented on them. I have Ambrosio Champion bars on a few earlier bikes,
> and
> I wasn't sure when the bars like the ones on the Zeus came about (and
> departed actually). And what is the bar covering called? Who made it?
> Anyone
> know? All I can read is a "Made in England" near the stem end.
>
> The other thing is the knurling or ribbing on the Akront rims. I
> understand
> this to be something from the 60's that died out by/in the 70's. My
> recollection from when I've asked about this style of rim previously was
> that Nisi quit doing it mid/late 60's (I actually have a Nisi rim like
> this,
> with the ribs, laced to a '70 Campy HF hub), and I'm under the
> impression
> Akront would have likely followed suit soon after.
>
> David
> --
> David Bilenkey
> Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
> dbilenkey@sympatico.ca
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org
> > [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of
> > Jerome & Elizabeth Moos
> > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 3:43 PM
> > To: chasds@mindspring.com; classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > Subject: Re: [CR]re: dating a Zeus
> >
> > One clue I forgot to mention in my previous responses. The
> > bike has the same Ambrosio bars as my 1968 Zeus Olympic.
> > Rather unusual in that the engraving is quite far from the
> > stem, so that taping as high as is customary today will cover
> > most or all of the engraving. All this supports the
> > Listmeister's estimate of 1970 +/- a year. I might expand
> > that very slightly to "very late 60's to very early 70's".
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Jerry Moos
> > Big Spring, TX
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 13:23:02 -0800 (PST)
> From: Ron Gurth <rononice@yahoo.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Stem Diameters
> Message-ID: <20051219212302.62076.qmail@web51903.mail.yahoo.com>
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>
> Re-building a Schwinn Le Tour, 1982? or 83, I think. Found out the stem,
an SR, has a 25.4 clamp and the stem is about a millimeter smaller than a
normal 22.2 road stem. Any comments about why Schwinn spec'd this odd size
on a road bike?
>
> Also, as I wanted to put on a 26.0 handlebar, I have a Nitto Technomic
stem to use, but would need to remove a bit of metal to make it fit the
headset. I thought I saw a thread about this earlier in the year, so if
you can direct me to the proper archive thread, cool.
>
> Otherwise, can the stem be reduced in diameter safely? If sanding is
involved, any tips as to type of sandpaper would be helpful. Lathe? Other
suggestions?
>
> on or off-list OK.
>
> Ron "The Roofer, not the Machinist" Gurth
> 12 deg in Balmy Carmel, Indiana
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:35:19 -0500
> From: Sheldon Brown <CaptBike@sheldonbrown.com>
> To: Ron Gurth <rononice@yahoo.com>, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Stem Diameters
> Message-ID: <p06230929bfccd6d79e75@[10.0.1.31]>
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>
> Ron Gurth wrote:
>
> >Re-building a Schwinn Le Tour, 1982? or 83, I think. Found out the
> >stem, an SR, has a 25.4 clamp and the stem is about a millimeter
> >smaller than a normal 22.2 road stem. Any comments about why
> >Schwinn spec'd this odd size on a road bike?
> >
> It wasn't "odd" when Schwinn started using it about a hundred years
> ago. This used to be the standard size for all American made bikes.
> It's 21.15 mm, a.k.a. 13/16" (vs 7/8" for the English size.)
>
> Schwinn was about the last to give up on this size for "road" bikes,
> though it's still alive and well for kids' bikes.
>
> See my Bar/Stem Cribsheet:
http://sheldonbrown.com/
>
> > Also, as I wanted to put on a 26.0 handlebar, I have a Nitto
> >Technomic stem to use, but would need to remove a bit of metal to
> >make it fit the headset. I thought I saw a thread about this
> >earlier in the year, so if you can direct me to the proper archive
> >thread, cool.
> >
> > Otherwise, can the stem be reduced in diameter safely? If sanding
> >is involved, any tips as to type of sandpaper would be helpful.
> >Lathe? Other suggestions?
> >
> I often recommend sanding 22.2 stems down to the 22.0 size used in
> older French bikes, but would be nervous about going as far as that.
>
> Better to get a correct size stem.
>
> See: http://harriscyclery.com/
>
> Sheldon "Standards" Brown
> +---------------------------------------------+
> | The nice thing about standards is that |
> | there are so many of them to choose from. |
> | --Andrew S. Tanenbaum |
> +---------------------------------------------+
> --
> Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts
> Phone 617-244-9772 FAX 617-244-1041
> http://harriscyclery.com
> Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide
> http://captainbike.com
> Useful articles about bicycles and cycling
> http://sheldonbrown.com
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:47:11 -0500
> From: "David Bilenkey" <dbilenkey@sympatico.ca>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Pics sought of the two types of Campag Titanium BB spindles
> Message-ID: <002501c604e5$c4a0c410$b500a8c0@david372aca8f1>
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> Message: 9
>
> Hi,
>
> Looking for clear pics of the two types of Campagnolo Super Record
titanium
> BB spindles, the normal earlier style and the later nutted style. Were the
> first type (using the bolt) actually hollow all the way through?
>
> Thanks,
>
> David
> --
> David Bilenkey
> Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
> dbilenkey@sympatico.ca
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:53:16 -0700
> From: Mitch Harris <mitch.harris@gmail.com>
> To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Registering on WoolJersey site?
> Message-ID: <8801bb250512191353u6f856405v7bb7b83d9193f946@mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
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> Message: 10
>
> Thanks to the administrator of the great Wooljersey site. I wonder if it's
> possible to register so I can use the search function? I see the login
> button but no registering process is apparent.
>
> --Mitch Harris
> Back in the US from London,
> Little Rock Canyon, Utah
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:57:35 -0500
> From: "David Bilenkey" <dbilenkey@sympatico.ca>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: RE: [CR]Pics sought of the two types of Campag Titanium BB
spindles
> Message-ID: <002e01c604e7$3883b530$b500a8c0@david372aca8f1>
> In-Reply-To: <002501c604e5$c4a0c410$b500a8c0@david372aca8f1>
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> Message: 11
>
> Never mind that request I found a catalogue scan I'd forgotten about.
> Although the question still stands; Were the first Ti spindles hollow all
> the way through?
>
> Thanks,
>
> David
> --
> David Bilenkey
> Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
> dbilenkey@sympatico.ca
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org
> > [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of
> > David Bilenkey
> > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 4:47 PM
> > To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > Subject: [CR]Pics sought of the two types of Campag Titanium
> > BB spindles
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Looking for clear pics of the two types of Campagnolo Super
> > Record titanium BB spindles, the normal earlier style and the
> > later nutted style. Were the first type (using the bolt)
> > actually hollow all the way through?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > David
> > --
> > David Bilenkey
> > Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
> > dbilenkey@sympatico.ca
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:10:48 -0800 (PST)
> From: Ty R Doleman <ty_r_doleman@sbcglobal.net>
> To: mhendricks40@earthlink.net, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]RE: Dawes "Dalesman"
> Message-ID: <20051219221048.60118.qmail@web80725.mail.yahoo.com>
> In-Reply-To: <380-2200512018225019187@earthlink.net>
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> Message: 12
>
>
> Hi there Michael, I think I might just have a Dawes
> Dalesman out in the barn. The frame is real sturdy.
> That there bicycle use to belong to ol' Bernie down at
> the lumber center. Bernie told me these make great
> bikes for big, fat, frustrated guys; (Bernie is
> weighin' in at about 400 these days..........) Aside
> from that I don't know a whole lot about 'em.
>
> Happy Holidays,
> Ty Doleman
> Vidor TX
>
>
> --- Michael Hendricks <mhendricks40@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
> > I'm looking into buying a Dawes "Dalesman" to use as
> > my daily rider. What
> > can you tell me about it? I've looked at our CR site
> > but not much info
> > about htis model. Any info would be great.
> >
> > Michael Hendricks
> > San Jose, Ca. 95126
> >
> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: <classicrendezvous-request@bikelist.org>
> > > To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > > Date: 12/18/2005 12:00:20 PM
> > > Subject: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 36, Issue
> > 91
> > >
> > > Send Classicrendezvous mailing list submissions to
> > > classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
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> > 'help' to
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> > > CR
> > >
> > > Today's Topics:
> > >
> > > 1. re: for sale maillard helicomatic hub set
> > and 13-26 fw
> > > (Harvey M Sachs)
> > > 2. Campy HF flanges: brittle or not? (Harvey M
> > Sachs)
> > > 3. Is Mavic Open 4 CD off topic? (Harvey M
> > Sachs)
> > > 4. Re: Campy HF flanges: brittle or not? (Joe
> > Bender-Zanoni)
> > > 5. Campag Hi-flange hubs...now Trivia. (Norris
> > Lockley)
> > > 6. RE: Campagnolo Seatpost Comparison (Mark
> > Bulgier)
> > > 7. Anti seize & cottered cranks (Howard Bishop)
> > > 8. RE: Anti seize & cottered cranks (Mark
> > Bulgier)
> > > 9. mystery simplex (Howard Darr)
> > > 10. RE: Anti seize & cottered cranks (Mark
> > Bulgier)
> > > 11. Re: mystery simplex
> > > 12. Re: mystery simplex (Hilary Stone)
> > > 13. Re: mystery simplex (Olof Stroh)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 08:33:09 -0500
> > > From: Harvey M Sachs <sachshm@cox.net>
> > > To: Classic Rendezvous
> > <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > > Subject: re: [CR]for sale maillard helicomatic hub
> > set and 13-26 fw
> > > Message-ID: <43A56515.8070802@cox.net>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii;
> > format=flowed
> > > MIME-Version: 1.0
> > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> > > Precedence: list
> > > Reply-To: hsachs@alumni.rice.edu
> > > Message: 1
> > >
> > > Robbie Fellows is offering maillard helicomatic
> > hub set and 13-26 fw:
> > >
> > > they are good used condition.
> > > sf /36 hole.
> > > need good cleaning.
> > > no skewers.
> > >
> > > $20.00 shipped U.S.
> > >
> > > I would happily sell a spare rear, incomplete,
> > with FW, for $10 shipped
> > US, but this may be too high a price... A buddy
> > decided it would be better
> > to have same at my house than his, knowing tha I
> > admire the Helicomatic as
> > a transition technology, but enough is enough and I
> > have enough already.
> > >
> > > harvey sachs
> > > mcLean va
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 09:17:21 -0500
> > > From: Harvey M Sachs <sachshm@cox.net>
> > > To: Classic Rendezvous
> > <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>,
> > > Jim Papadopoulos <papadopoulos@alum.mit.edu>
> > > Subject: [CR]Campy HF flanges: brittle or not?
> > > Message-ID: <43A56F71.7040301@cox.net>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1;
> > format=flowed
> > > MIME-Version: 1.0
> > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> > > Precedence: list
> > > Reply-To: hsachs@alumni.rice.edu
> > > Message: 2
> > >
> > > I've owned a Campy record hf road hub with a crack
> > in the web. resulted
> > > from an overshift into the spokes.
> > > Not uncommon, I expect. So, I assumed that they
> > are made of a hard alloy.
> > >
> > > But, wait. Recently, a list buddy and swapped
> > some parts. I wound up
> > > with a Campy Record HF track hub with a flange
> > bent in maybe 10 degrees
> > > around about 90 - 120 degrees of the
> > circumference. No prolem, this had
> > > been fully disclosed by the Honorable List Member,
> > and I figured I could
> > > lace it up for a rider/commuter and not worry
> > about it. Just on a whim,
> > > I put the brass jaws in the vise, clamped down on
> > the flange, and bent
> > > it back. Worked just like on soft aluminum.
> > Yielded smoothly. No cracks
> > > found. I'm pleased, of course, and this sort of
> > fits in inutitively
> > > with the common experience of deformation around
> > spoke holes, but I'm
> > > having some trouble reconciliing my mental metal
> > models. Eh?
> > >
> > > harvey sachs
> > > mcLean va
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 09:41:00 -0500
> > > From: Harvey M Sachs <sachshm@cox.net>
> > > To: Classic Rendezvous
> > <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > > Subject: [CR]Is Mavic Open 4 CD off topic?
> > > Message-ID: <43A574FC.5040703@cox.net>
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> > >
> > > I just found a NOS "Mavic Open 4 CD double
> > stainless steel eyelet hard
> > > anodized treatment 650 V" rim in my stash. Is
> > this an on-topic (1983 or
> > > earlier?) rim?
> > >
> > > Early 80s were a time when I wasn't buying much
> > new or old, and I just
> > > don't know. If it is off topic, please do not
> > respond on the list, but
> > > I'd appreciate hearing from you.
> > >
> > > thakns
> > >
> > > harvey sachs
> > > mcLean va
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:05:40 -0500
> > > From: Joe Bender-Zanoni <joebz@optonline.net>
> > > To: hsachs@alumni.rice.edu
> > > Cc: Jim Papadopoulos <papadopoulos@alum.mit.edu>
> > > Cc: Classic Rendezvous
> > <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [CR]Campy HF flanges: brittle or not?
> > > Message-ID: <43A588D4.8070301@optonline.net>
> > > In-Reply-To: <43A56F71.7040301@cox.net>
> > > References: <43A56F71.7040301@cox.net>
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> > >
> > > Its likely in the heat treating, not the alloys of
> > the shell. I doubt
> > > Campy changed the aluminum alloys much over time,
> > probably using the
> > > equivalent of 6061 because it is obviously a high
> > strength alloy and
> > > few, if any, corrosion problems are reported. A
> > 6061 alloy would
> > > typically be heat treated to a T6 condition. If it
> > missed the heat treat
> > > or was subjected to a period of temperature above
> > say 350 degrees F (its
> > > a time at temperature deal), the material will go
> > toward the annealed,
> > > soft T0 condition. I'm sure the occasional person
> > heats an aluminum part
> > > to break free a pedal, crank or freewheel, but it
> > is not a good idea.
> > >
> > > Trivia: A pure aluminum ring placed on edge will
> > not support its own
> > > weight! I worked out the math once while doing a
> > paper on the properties
> > > of pure materials. Alloys are wonderful things.
> > >
> > > More trivia, but more practical for users of old
> > alloy parts: It is a
> > > wonderful thing that most bike parts are 6061
> > alloy. It is very
> > > corrosion resistant. If you have 7075 or 2024
> > alloy parts, check them
> > > very carefully for corrosion over time. I had an
> > amazing degree of
> > > corrosion in a 7075 seat post once. Also, early
> > aluminum parts may be of
> > > unproven (and unknowable) alloys.
> > >
> > >
> > > Joe Bender-Zanoni
> > > Great Notch, NJ
> > >
> > > Harvey M Sachs wrote:
> > >
> > > > I've owned a Campy record hf road hub with a
> > crack in the web.
> > > > resulted from an overshift into the spokes.
> > > > Not uncommon, I expect. So, I assumed that they
> > are made of a hard
> > > > alloy.
> > > >
> > > > But, wait. Recently, a list buddy and swapped
> > some parts. I wound up
> > > > with a Campy Record HF track hub with a flange
> > bent in maybe 10
> > > > degrees around about 90 - 120 degrees of the
> > circumference. No
> > > > prolem, this had been fully disclosed by the
> > Honorable List Member,
> > > > and I figured I could lace it up for a
> > rider/commuter and not worry
> > > > about it. Just on a whim, I put the brass jaws
> > in the vise, clamped
> > > > down on the flange, and bent it back. Worked
> > just like on soft
> > > > aluminum. Yielded smoothly. No cracks found.
> > I'm pleased, of course,
> > > > and this sort of fits in inutitively with the
> > common experience of
> > > > deformation around spoke holes, but I'm having
> > some trouble
> > > > reconciliing my mental metal models. Eh?
> > > >
> > > > harvey sachs
> > > > mcLean va
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 16:56:35 -0000
> > > From: "Norris Lockley"
> > <norris@norrislockley.wanadoo.co.uk>
> > > To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > > Subject: [CR]Campag Hi-flange hubs...now Trivia.
> > > Message-ID:
> > <000801c603f4$0212ae00$a30f4d51@norris>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1"
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> > > Message: 5
> > >
> > > I found Joe's " trivia" at the end of the Campag
> > HF hub contri very
> > > valuable info.
> > >
> > > A few years ago I attempted to buy out a French
> > manufacturer's stock of
> > > moulds and tooling to make carbon-tubed racing
> > frames ( I know it's
> > > slightly off-topic, but I'll get to the point
> > ASAP). the problem that I
> > > foresaw was that of obtaining a supply of cast
> > aluminiun lugs, brackets
> > > and fork ends without importing from a French
> > manufacturer. Having
> > > obtained sample lugs I sent them to a high-end
> > company in the UK for
> > > analysis of the alloy etc The results showed a
> > marine-spec alloy high in
> > > magnesium..and very high anti-corrosion qualities.
> > Can't remember the
> > > exact No...but I don't think it was one of the
> > 6000 series. No matter..
> > >
> > > In ther late 70s I got into the anodised
> > components business...my first
> > > venture being one of the first Vitus Duralinox
> > 9709 frames in silver,
> > > built up with components, anodised in red or
> > blue...so that the finished
> > > bike looked like a mobile French "Tricoloure".
> > Great!!
> > > The second venture was based on the same model of
> > frame..so that the
> > > chosen colours would contrast with the satin
> > silver of the
> > > tubes...benefitted from alll the components being
> > anodised in either old
> > > gold or bronze. The components were a mix of
> > French, Japanese and
> > > Italian. I think I learned more about grades of
> > aluminium alloy from
> > > these projects than from any book I ever read..and
> > in retrospect it now
> > > all seems obvious.
> > >
> > > The components taking the best anodising were the
> > SR bars, the
> > > Stronglight chainrings, and the Maillard LF
> > hubs...the worst were the
> > > Cinelli 1A stem..absolutely dire and patchy...and
> > the Stronglight
> > > cranks. Clearly cast or forged components have
> > alloying agents not given
> > > to producing good finishes..or it was not possible
> > to deposit a fine
> > > layer of pure aluminium on the surface to be
> > anodised.
> > >
> > > The ultimate product of this series was a very
> > mean time-trial bike with
> > > a lugless frame built of Ishiwata O19 aero tubing,
> > that was finished to
> > > a "mid-black" by black chrome/nickel plating. The
> > rest of the bike was a
> > > riot of dusky gold and deep bronze anodising.
> > > The bike was called for publicity purposes "Black
> > Beauty"..and it really
> > > was...Last known owner was Jake Riviera, Elvis
> > Costello's agent and
> > > one-time owner of Bob Jacksons and Hetchins.
> > >
> > > Norris Lockley...getting very trivial..Settle UK
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 09:39:52 -0800
> > > From: "Mark Bulgier" <Mark@bulgier.net>
> > > To: "john barron- velostuf" <jb@velostuf.com>,
> > > <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > > Subject: RE: [CR]Campagnolo Seatpost Comparison
> > > Message-ID:
> >
> <9327C3B25BD3C34A8DBC26145D88A90702CD77@hippy.home.here>
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> > > MIME-Version: 1.0
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> > > Message: 6
> > >
> > >
> > > John Barron wrote:
> > > > I have created a page that compares a couple
> > Campy seatposts.
> > > > Please review the pictures and let me know your
> > thoughts.
> > >
> >
> http://www.velostuf.com/
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm pretty sure those alloy saddle rail supports
> > are from a Lambert.
> > > The uppers have been bent down from being
> > over-tightened (and given how
> > > weak those Lambert parts are, almost any
> > tightening is overtightening).
> > >
> > > I'm not qualified to comment on the type style of
> > the lettering (never
> > > noticed those differences myself), so I must say I
> > would just have
> > > assumed the lighter one is just a standard
> > Superleggero.
> > >
> > > Mark Bulgier
> > > Seattle WA USA
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 12:42:14 -0500
> > > From: Howard Bishop <bishop2398@gmail.com>
> > > To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > > Subject: [CR]Anti seize & cottered cranks
> > > Message-ID:
> >
> <dad5e40e0512180942ob972f8erd06cbbe126a1fcdf@mail.gmail.com>
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> > > Message: 7
> > >
> > > So I'm wondering, what would be wrong with putting
> > some anti-seize
> > > (such as for spark plugs) on crank cotters before
> > installing, then
> > > maybe a drop of lock-tite on the nut. Wouldn't
> > this help with regular
> > > servicing, or is there something obvious I'm
> > missing?
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > Howard Bishop,
> > > Columbus IN
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 10:15:39 -0800
> > > From: "Mark Bulgier" <Mark@bulgier.net>
> > > To: "Howard Bishop" <bishop2398@gmail.com>,
> > > <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > > Subject: RE: [CR]Anti seize & cottered cranks
> > > Message-ID:
> >
> <9327C3B25BD3C34A8DBC26145D88A90702CD78@hippy.home.here>
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> > >
> > > Howard Bishop wrote:
> > > > So I'm wondering, what would be wrong with
> > putting some
> > > > anti-seize (such as for spark plugs) on crank
> > cotters before
> > > > installing, then maybe a drop of lock-tite on
> > the nut.
> > > > Wouldn't this help with regular servicing, or is
> > there
> > > > something obvious I'm missing?
> > >
> > > Howard,
> > >
> > > This is a frequent topic on this and other bicycle
> > lists and newsgroups
> > > - starts up a veritable holy war from time to
> > time. I recommend you
> > > search the CR archives, and also check out this
> > from the
> > > rec.bicycles.tech newsgroup FAQ:
> > > http://draco.acs.uci.edu/
> > >
> > > My own take it that since many people on both
> > sides report having had no
> > > problems in "x" decades of doing it their way,
> > then it can't be that big
> > > of a deal - either way works. I personally seem
> > to notice more creaking
> > > noises from ungreased axle tapers, so I grease
> > mine. Anti-seize would
> > > perhaps be even better but grease is always handy
> > and works fine. Campy
> > > and other manufacturers have said to assemble them
> > dry, but I have
> > > proven to my satisfaction that this is not
> > necessary or desirable -
> > > greased works, possibly a little bit better than
> > dry IMO.
> > >
> > > Locktite on the nut (or bolt, in the more common
> > [CR] case of hollow
> > > axles) is not needed in my experience and could
> > cause problems later.
> > > Never tried it though; if you try it let us know
> > how it worked out for
> > > you. I recommend using dust caps to keep the
> > bolts from turning, and as
> > > Jobst says in the FAQ lined above, don't keep
> > tightening the bolts -
> > > they naturally will be a bit looser after riding,
> > but you must leave
> > > them that way. They are not looser from turning;
> > it is because the
> > > cranks have squirmed a bit farther up the taper,
> > balancing out the force
> > > between the bolt head and the taper. Continually
> > tightening them runs
> > > the cranks too far up the tapers. This is true
> > whether greased or dry.
> > >
> > > Mark Bulgier
> > > Seattle WA USA
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:57:54 -0500
> > > From: "Howard Darr" <hdarr@localnet.com>
> > > To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > > Subject: [CR]mystery simplex
> > > Message-ID:
> > <001c01c60404$f4eb9d20$cf419942@D1S2F761>
> > > References:
> > <001f01c60392$e0e80b50$6401a8c0@Velostuf>
> > > Content-Type:
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> > > reply-type=response
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> > > Message: 9
> > >
> > > I asked earlier this week what these were.
> > Please, I was hoping to know.
> > >
> > > 7205434984 = ebay #
> > >
> > > howard darr
> > > Clymer PA
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:05:53 -0800
> > > From: "Mark Bulgier" <Mark@bulgier.net>
> > > To: "Howard Bishop" <bishop2398@gmail.com>,
> > > <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > > Subject: RE: [CR]Anti seize & cottered cranks
> > > Message-ID:
> >
> <9327C3B25BD3C34A8DBC26145D88A90702CD79@hippy.home.here>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain;charset="US-ASCII"
> > > MIME-Version: 1.0
> > > Precedence: list
> > > Message: 10
> > >
> > > Boy do I feel dumb - I see now he was talking
> > about cotters, not
> > > cotterless! Apologies to all.
> > >
> > > Mark Bulgier
> > > Seattle WA USA
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:23:11 -0500
> > > From: oroboyz@aol.com
> > > To: hdarr@localnet.com,
> > classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > > Subject: Re: [CR]mystery simplex
> > > Message-ID:
> > <8C7D21F9E9F3E7F-1FB4-4569@FWM-D28.sysops.aol.com>
> > > In-Reply-To:
> > <001c01c60404$f4eb9d20$cf419942@D1S2F761>
> > > References:
> > <001f01c60392$e0e80b50$6401a8c0@Velostuf>
> > > <001c01c60404$f4eb9d20$cf419942@D1S2F761>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii";
> > format=flowed
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> > > Message: 11
> > >
> > > << I asked earlier this week what these were.
> > Please, I was hoping to
> > > know.
> > >
> > > 7205434984 = ebay # >>
> > >
> > > Hi Howard:
> > > Not sure but they look to be a last ditch effort
> > at trying to revive a
> > > sinking ship.... My guess is end of era.
> > >
> > > Dale Brown
> > > cycles de ORO, Inc
> > > 1410 Mill Street
> > > Greensboro, NC 27408 USA
> > > 336-274-5959
> > > http://www.cyclesdeoro.com
> > > http://www.classicrendezvous.com
> > > Giant, Specialized, Bianchi, Felt, Orbea,
> > Litespeed, Kuota, Argon 18,
> > > Colnago, Landshark, Townie and other exotica.
> > > Member, board of directors, National Bicycle
> > Dealers Association
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Howard Darr <hdarr@localnet.com>
> > > To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > > Sent: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:57:54 -0500
> > > Subject: [CR]mystery simplex
> > >
> > > I asked earlier this week what these were.
> > Please, I was hoping to
> > > know.
> > >
> > > 7205434984 = ebay #
> > >
> > > howard darr
> > > Clymer PA
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 19:24:38 +0000
> > > From: Hilary Stone <hilary.stone@blueyonder.co.uk>
> > > To: Howard Darr <hdarr@localnet.com>,
> > > <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [CR]mystery simplex
> > > Message-ID:
> > <BFCB67F5.5566A%hilary.stone@blueyonder.co.uk>
> > > In-Reply-To:
> > <001c01c60404$f4eb9d20$cf419942@D1S2F761>
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> > >
> > > A cheap set from the late 1980s - these came out
> > about year I think
> > before
> > > Simplex introduced indexed gears at the 1989 Paris
> > show...
> > >
> > > Hilary Stone
> > >
> > > Bristol, England
> > >
> > > > From: "Howard Darr" <hdarr@localnet.com>
> > > > Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:57:54 -0500
> > > > To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > > > Subject: [CR]mystery simplex
> > > >
> > > > I asked earlier this week what these were.
> > Please, I was hoping to
> > know.
> > > >
> > > > 7205434984 = ebay #
> > > >
> > > > howard darr
> > > > Clymer PA
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
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> >
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> > > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 20:44:38 +0100
> > > From: "Olof Stroh" <olof@stroh.nu>
> > > To: "Hilary Stone"
> > <hilary.stone@blueyonder.co.uk>,
> > > "Howard Darr" <hdarr@localnet.com>,
> > <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [CR]mystery simplex
> > > Message-ID: <004901c6040b$7c979ca0$0300a8c0@olof>
> > > References:
> > <BFCB67F5.5566A%hilary.stone@blueyonder.co.uk>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1"
> > > MIME-Version: 1.0
> > > Precedence: list
> > > Reply-To: Olof Stroh <olof@stroh.nu>
> > > Message: 13
> > >
> > >
> > > Hilary Stone answered Howard Darr
> > >
> > > > A cheap set from the late 1980s - these came out
> > about year I think
> > > before
> > > > Simplex introduced indexed gears at the 1989
> > Paris show...
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I asked earlier this week what these were.
> > Please, I was hoping to
> > > know.
> > > > >
> > > > > 7205434984 = ebay #
> > >
> > > Yep. I bought my daughter a white Meral with these
> > - all white you know
> > > - at the time. Curiosity not suitable for actual
> > use. _Everything_ was
> > > flexible.
> > >
> > > Olof Stroh
> > > Uppsala Sweden
> > >
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