I believe tha Brian Bayliss once mentioned that, when applying
moderm paints to classic bicycles, he often dulls the paint
slightly so that it will match the sheen - or lack of it - of
the original paintwork.
Fred Rednor - Arlington, Virginia (USA)
> Peter & list,
>
> RE: it can be very satisfying indeed. And sometimes
> >done too well.... I know my '73 Cinelli (repainted by the
> original
> >owner via CycleArt) is a repaint because it looks much
> better than
> >the
> original paint job.
>
> >I am not entrusting any of my Peugeots to Jim at CycleArt
> until he
> >can prove he can do as poor as masking job on the black
> lugwork as
> >the
> original.
>
> Thanks for the mention... I have offered and often even
> recommended
> refinishes replicating original quality. I estimate less
> than that one
> in
> 100 clients take us up on the idea. Sometimes, when the idea
> is
> proposed
> the client assumes that it is suggested as a cost saving
> measure, but
> while
> some time may be saved in doing slap dash masking for
> example,
> compensating
> for the new materials tendency toward greater gloss and
> modifying our
> practiced techniques or even taking steps to impart flaws
> intentionally,
> more than makes up for the time saved. Also, when the norm
> is working
> to
> very high standard, it is stressful to QC an item intended to
> have a
> lower
> but less defined standard; "is it too good, or it is too
> rough," becomes
> a
> tough question.
>
> On restorations, we work from detailed before photos, so if
> you want
> choppy
> masking on your Peugeots, just say so and we'll photo them
> and recreate
> them
> as they are!
>
> Oh and by the way "CyclArt" is spelled with no "e".
> Important to keep
> in
> mind when doing Internet searches!
>
> Jim "I meant to do that" Cunningham
> CyclArt
> Vista, CA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: P.C. Kohler [mailto:kohl57@starpower.net]
> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 2:26 PM
> To: hsachs@alumni.rice.edu; Classic Rendezvous
> Subject: Re: A summary, was [CR] powder coating vs. wet paint
>
> Harvey makes a good point about gloss... most modern auto
> enamels have
> this
> "glassy' effect that sets them apart from say paint in the
> 1950s-70s.
> It's
> not the colour but the hard, unrelenting gloss that makes the
> bike
> look..
> well.. repainted. At the streetcar museum where I was the
> painter-in-chief,
> we avoided Imron and used the old Dulux, the original
> nitro-celluloise
> synthetic auto enamel instead. Alas, no longer made. But it's
> possible
> to
> reduce the gloss in modern paints like Imron. And worth doing
> in my
> opinion.
>
> The other thing to remember for those of you lucky to own
> pre-war
> machines... if they were black, they were almost surely
> "dipped" not
> sprayed. And again the application of the paint is a big
> factor in how
> original it looks. I did a lot of what the British call
> "enamelling" at
> that
>
> museum... brush enamelling.. and this worked well in
> repainting the top
> tube
>
> of a Raleigh roadster, perfectly matching the colour and the
> "look" of
> the
> original. A proper brush enamelling takes lots of time and
> patience but
> the
> results are very gratifying. And authentic. Unless you have a
> big vat of
>
> glorious British Bike Black to dip your frame into.
>
> Painting is very complex and fascinating especially if you
> get into the
> history of various methods and materials over the years. But
> done right
> by
> yourself or someone else, it can be very satisfying indeed.
> And
> sometimes
> done too well.... I know my '73 Cinelli (repainted by the
> original owner
> via
>
> CycleArt) is a repaint because it looks much better than the
> original
> paint
> job.
>
> I am not entrusting any of my Peugeots to Jim at CycleArt
> until he can
> prove
>
> he can do as poor as masking job on the black lugwork as the
> original.
>
> Peter Kohler
> Washington DC USA
>
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