Re: [CR]PY-10 is not PX-10

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Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 09:30:58 -0700
From: "Verizon" <>
Subject: Re: [CR]PY-10 is not PX-10
To: "Jerome & Elizabeth Moos" <>, "Feeken, Dirk" <>, <>
References: <>

That is how I remember it too and my old boss had a PY-12 add that to the mix. Steven Steven Willis 1778 East Second Street Scotch Plains NJ 07076 908-322-3330

----- Original Message -----
From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos
To: "Feeken, Dirk"
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: [CR]PY-10 is not PX-10

>I think there may be a difference in terminology here and perhaps a
>difference it model designation between between Peugeots sold in the US and
>those sold in Europe. I'm pretty sure that around 1975 Peugeot began
>selling in the US a model designated PY-10. This was updated versus
>previous PX-10 specs, with no fender eyelets, Maillard small-flange hubs
>replacing Large-flange Normandy Competition, Simplex SLJ with Retrofriction
>shifters replacing Criterium, and engraved bars and allen head stems
>replacing the older AVA. Of course, the PX-10 (or its variants) soon
>evolved in that direction, but I think these components first appeared on
>the bike sold as PY-10 in USA. I believe there was in the US catalog a
>custom-order version designated PY-10CP or something like that, but the
>PY-10 itself was not a custom order. It did not have the MAFAC brazeons
>found on team bikes. In Europe, perhaps the PY-10 was a custom order
>version only, equivalent to the US PY-10CP, and perhaps the the
> nearest equivalent to the US production PY-10 was called PX-10 or some
> variant like PX-10LE in Europe. I believe there may have been significant
> differences between US and European specs, partly because I have a
> mid-70's bike originally sold in Germany, on which the frame looks like
> the US PY-10, but much of the equipment is different. One difference is
> the "superlight" Mafac CP's (plastic lever bodies with no hoods, calipers
> more like Weinmann than classic Mafac). I don't ever remember seeing
> these brakes as standard equipment on any Peugeot sold in the US. I've
> been calling this bike a PY-10, but I don't really know what model name it
> was originally sold under.
> Regards,
> Jerry Moos
> "Feeken, Dirk" <> wrote:
>>PY-10 and PX-10s are an integral part of cycling
>>history. They brought high-performance to the masses.
>>It is naïve to expect a PY-10 to be as well crafted as
>>a Baylis, since almost no bikes at that time were toiled
>>over like a Baylis is today, and certainly not a
>>moderately priced production racing bike.
> Just to put it strait: The PY-10 was not a moderately priced production
> bike for the masses. Don't confuse it with the PX-10.
> While the PX-10 was a (very good) mass product the PY-10 was built
> individually for each customer in Peugeots special tiny "Prestige" Shop
> where also the team bikes have been built. The made to measure PY-10 was
> almost three times more expensive than the PX-10. According to "The
> Custom Bicycle" a lot of work went into each frame, but more on the
> design and planning part than in the actual build process.
> If anybody has expected a craftmenship of the frame comparable to a
> Colnago Super or Raleigh Team Pro, he might have been disappointed.
> Nevertheless the bike is very cool and I like the "overall look" more
> than that of the Raleigh.
> Dirk


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