[CR]Re: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 31, Issue 4

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From: "John Morrison" <mrsummit@cox.net>
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Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 17:56:03 -0700
Subject: [CR]Re: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 31, Issue 4

Nick, Just to verify the dimensions, 55cm center to center of the seat tube and also the top tube?? The picture makes it look smaller?? Cheers, John, drooling in SoCal.....


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> 1. classic shop(s) in denver, co? (dan polito)
> 2. Re: 753 vs 531 (Jeremy Rauch)
> 3. Re: classic shop(s) in denver, co?
> 4. Re: 753 vs 531 (John Thompson)
> 5. RE: classic shop(s) in denver, co? (Mazzeo, Daniel)
> 6. Brooks "Pre-Softened" saddles (Tom Sanders)
> 7. RE: USPS best team ever? (marc garcia)
> 8. Re: classic shop(s) in denver, co? oops!
> 9. Having Horrible Thoughts
> 10. Lamborghini Ti Bicycle
> 11. Re: classic shop(s) in denver, co?
> 12. Re: RE: USPS best team ever? (Stephan Andranian)
> 13. Re: TdF "Best" Team......
> 14. Re: RE: USPS best team ever?
> 15. Re: Lamborghini Ti Bicycle (Angel Garcia)
> 16. Lamborghini TI cycle (Norris Lockley)
> 17. Two Interesting Flying Scot's in France ! (Bob Reid)
> 18. RE: RE: USPS best team ever? (Mick Butler)
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> Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 15:17:30 -0400
> From: "dan polito" <thepandle@hotmail.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]classic shop(s) in denver, co?
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> hi all-
>
> i am in denver for the day; my first time here and i am really enjoying it.
> hung out with the local punks yesterday and helped neighborhood folks fix
> their bikes at the derailleur co-op, drank some fresh breckenridge beer,
> hung out by a campfire. definitely a nice day.
>
> i seem to recall talk that there is a classic-esque shop in town somewhere,
> but i cannot find it, nor did anyone here know anything about it.
>
> any suggestions?
>
> thanks
> dan polito
> traveling, US by way of cleveland, oh
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 15:29:20 -0400
> From: Jeremy Rauch <classic@cadre.org>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR] 753 vs 531
> Message-ID: <9D8008BA-B2C6-4E2D-B821-D9E573240115@cadre.org>
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> On Jul 1, 2005, at 1:18 PM, Bingham, Wayne wrote:
>
> > I have three frames built with 753 tubing; '89 Merckx Grand Prix, '85
> > Raleigh Team USA, and '84 custom Trek track frame. Only the Raleigh
> > sports a 753R sticker. Both the Raleigh and the Trek are currently
> > built up with Campy components, the Merckx is not built up, but was my
> > primary ride for many years (and many miles), and I used a Cd'A post.
> > All are currently in storage due to my shop construction project, so I
> > can't go do an in-depth analysis, but I'm pretty confident that all
> > use
> > 27.2 seat posts.
> >
> > How does that fit into the 753 puzzle?
>
> I can't confirm anything save the seat tube size on the Merckx. In a
> bout of
> doubt with regard to the seat post currently in my 88/89 Grand Prix,
> I mailed Gita
> to see if they knew what size was originally spec'd. They confirmed
> that it is 27.2,
> and not 27.4 as I was beginning to believe would be correct. This
> supposes, of course,
> that they actually checked the records, as versus going with the
> assumption that 27.2 is
> the correct answer for all late 80's (but KOF?!) Merckx frames.
> They've always been
> very helpful and quick with an answer, so I don't doubt them.
>
> So either the 753 mystery deepens, or they're mistaken, and I'm in
> the market for a 27.4mm
> post.
> Jeremy Rauch
> NY, NY
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 15:49:44 -0400
> From: oroboyz@aol.com
> To: thepandle@hotmail.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]classic shop(s) in denver, co?
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> Funky & fun place:
>
> http://www.cycleanalyst.com
>
> Quote from the web site "......we also have an enormous collection of
> used, rare, and obscure parts "
>
> Dale Brown
> cycles de ORO, Inc
> 1410 Mill Street
> Greensboro, NC 27408 USA
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: dan polito <thepandle@hotmail.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Sent: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 15:17:30 -0400
> Subject: [CR]classic shop(s) in denver, co?
>
> hi all-
>
> i am in denver for the day; my first time here and i am really
> enjoying it. hung out with the local punks yesterday and helped
> neighborhood folks fix their bikes at the derailleur co-op, drank some
> fresh breckenridge beer, hung out by a campfire. definitely a nice day.
>
> i seem to recall talk that there is a classic-esque shop in town
> somewhere, but i cannot find it, nor did anyone here know anything
> about it.
>
> any suggestions?
>
> thanks
> dan polito
> traveling, US by way of cleveland, oh
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 14:57:14 -0500
> From: John Thompson <JohnThompson@new.rr.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR] 753 vs 531
> Message-ID: <42C5A01A.8040200@new.rr.com>
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> Bingham, Wayne wrote:
>
> > I have three frames built with 753 tubing; '89 Merckx Grand Prix, '85
> > Raleigh Team USA, and '84 custom Trek track frame. Only the Raleigh
> > sports a 753R sticker. Both the Raleigh and the Trek are currently
> > built up with Campy components, the Merckx is not built up, but was my
> > primary ride for many years (and many miles), and I used a Cd'A post.
> > All are currently in storage due to my shop construction project, so I
> > can't go do an in-depth analysis, but I'm pretty confident that all use
> > 27.2 seat posts.
> >
> > How does that fit into the 753 puzzle?
>
> I don't know about the others, but if the Trek is the one on the
> Vintage-Trek web site, I had a hand in building that frame. It used the
> same 753R tubing (except for the fork blades) as the model 170 road
> frames, and should take a 27.4mm post.
>
> --
>
> -John Thompson (john@os2.dhs.org)
> Appleton WI USA
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 14:15:16 -0600
> From: "Mazzeo, Daniel" <Daniel.Mazzeo@usap.gov>
> To: "dan polito" <thepandle@hotmail.com>,
> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: RE: [CR]classic shop(s) in denver, co?
> Message-ID: <1A35E49260E18B47A1C230DD3E7F1B8B015901DC@CASTLE.denver.usap.gov>
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> Live here but am deaf dumb and blind to this one.
>
> Dan Mazzeo
> Morrison, CO
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org
> [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of dan polito
> Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 1:18 PM
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]classic shop(s) in denver, co?
>
> hi all-
>
> i am in denver for the day; my first time here and i am really enjoying
> it.
> hung out with the local punks yesterday and helped neighborhood folks
> fix their bikes at the derailleur co-op, drank some fresh breckenridge
> beer, hung out by a campfire. definitely a nice day.
>
> i seem to recall talk that there is a classic-esque shop in town
> somewhere, but i cannot find it, nor did anyone here know anything about
> it.
>
> any suggestions?
>
> thanks
> dan polito
> traveling, US by way of cleveland, oh
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 16:31:04 -0400
> From: "Tom Sanders" <tsan7759142@comcast.net>
> To: "Classicrendezvous@Bikelist.Org" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Brooks "Pre-Softened" saddles
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> I've owned a lot of them both pre-softened and not pre-softened and I'll be
> darned if I can say that one is any softer than another. I think it's just
> a sales gimmick!
> Tom Sanders
> Lansing, Mi
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 13:38:35 -0700 (PDT)
> From: marc garcia <marcgarcia80@ameritech.net>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]RE: USPS best team ever?
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> I agree that the USPS/Discovery team is not the best
> ever but I think that they can be called the best tour
> team of all time. It is one thing to have 7 tour wins,
> in my mind it is another to have 7 tour wins in a row.
> Let's be honest, at least in this country to the
> general population the tour de france is the only bike
> race in existence and this team reflects that, this
> team was put together to win this one race. You have
> to give them extra points for dominating year in and
> year out. It is comparable to Michael Jordan's bulls,
> once they finally made it to the finals the first
> year, every year after that you knew who was going to
> win and the only way anyone else could win was if MJ
> wasn't there on his own accord.
>
> I know the argument has been made that the field
> during Lance's period has not been as strong as
> previous eras but did Merckx have to deal with
> competitors blood doping? If Lance is clean, and has
> been clean during his run, his ability to defeat
> chemically enhanced riders is even more impressive.
>
> Is this the CR list or sports radio? actually it has
> to be the CR list, most sports radio hosts don't even
> consider cycling a sport. To hell with them.
>
> marc garcia
> chicago IL
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 16:45:37 EDT
> From: Oldtrikerider@aol.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]classic shop(s) in denver, co? oops!
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> Dan, you want Cycleanalyst.
>
> Paul Patzkowsky
> Longmont, Colorado
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 14:01:51 -0700 (PDT)
> From: thteach@sonic.net
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Having Horrible Thoughts
> Message-ID: <14590.65.164.244.237.1120251711.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net>
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>
> I too vote for "make the call." You at least get information to resolve a
> curiosty. At most you get an offer you won't refuse a second time.
>
> I called up an old friend just asking about the old days. He emptied his
> bookshelves and basement in response. I was overwhelmend and overjoyed at
> his generosity. It was unexpected. Hope the same fate comes your way.
>
> Todd Teachout
> Hercules, CA
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 17:04:25 EDT
> From: LouDeeter@aol.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Lamborghini Ti Bicycle
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> We have talked about the rare Lamborghini Ti bike on the list before, but
> you don't see many pictures of them. There is one on ebay right now. Older
> DuraAce parts too. I'm not sure I buy the comment from the seller than one
> sold recently for $14,000 in Britain. Here is the link:
> _http://ebay.com/<blah> 6&rd=1_
> (http://ebay.com/<blah> 6&rd=1)
>
>
> Lou Deeter, Orlando FL
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 17:05:04 EDT
> From: PBridge130@aol.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]classic shop(s) in denver, co?
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>
> --Cyclanalyst, as mentioned. Please tell Richard and Terry that I said hey,
> and tell Terry that I moved to San Diego (he used to live here, allegedly he
> worked for Masi)
> --Turin Bicycles -- large shop, in business for years, classic sympathies
> and some content
> --Schwab -- small pro shop, classic sympathies
> --Vecchio's in Boulder -- small pro shop with steel/classic focus
>
> Peter Bridge
> SDCAUSA
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 14:36:04 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Stephan Andranian <sandranian@yahoo.com>
> To: marc garcia <marcgarcia80@ameritech.net>,
> classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]RE: USPS best team ever?
> Message-ID: <20050701213604.79793.qmail@web81404.mail.yahoo.com>
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> I would agree that Lance Armstrong is the best Tour de France rider ever. You can't really argue with 6 or 7 wins in a row.
>
> But best Tour "Team"? I would argue that the fact that a team did it with one guy really speaks more to his superiority than to the team's greatness, although granted (stop yelling and shaking heads at me) it is a team sport and Lance doesn't do it on his own.
>
> However, consider this: The "Renaults" did it with 3 different riders. And in 1983 & 1984 they had both the Yellow and White jersey (granted in 1983 it was the same person). In addition, in 1984, the Renaults took 1st, 3rd, and the teams competition. Doing it with one guy, i.e. Merckx, is impressive. But cobbling together a team with 3 winners (and they found LeMond as well), is even more so. I guess we will have to see if Popyvich is any good in a few years....
>
> The Renaults have a record USPS/Discovery cannot match. If someone knows of a website that has stage finishes listed, I would look at that too, and bet that the Renaults have more stage wins than USPS.
>
> Stephan Andranian
> Costa Mesa, CA
>
> marc garcia <marcgarcia80@ameritech.net> wrote:
> I agree that the USPS/Discovery team is not the best
> ever but I think that they can be called the best tour
> team of all time. It is one thing to have 7 tour wins,
> in my mind it is another to have 7 tour wins in a row.
> Let's be honest, at least in this country to the
> general population the tour de france is the only bike
> race in existence and this team reflects that, this
> team was put together to win this one race. You have
> to give them extra points for dominating year in and
> year out. It is comparable to Michael Jordan's bulls,
> once they finally made it to the finals the first
> year, every year after that you knew who was going to
> win and the only way anyone else could win was if MJ
> wasn't there on his own accord.
>
> I know the argument has been made that the field
> during Lance's period has not been as strong as
> previous eras but did Merckx have to deal with
> competitors blood doping? If Lance is clean, and has
> been clean during his run, his ability to defeat
> chemically enhanced riders is even more impressive.
>
> Is this the CR list or sports radio? actually it has
> to be the CR list, most sports radio hosts don't even
> consider cycling a sport. To hell with them.
>
> marc garcia
> chicago IL
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> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 17:56:25 EDT
> From: DTSHIFTER@aol.com
> To: sandranian@yahoo.com, marcgarcia80@ameritech.net,
> classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Re: TdF "Best" Team......
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> There is a classification for the best overall team time........has little to
> do with the individual overall winner! I'll have to do a little research,
> but I don't think the USPS was the team winner for the past six years??
>
> Cheers,
>
> Chuck Brooks
> Malta, NY
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 18:08:31 -0400
> From: oroboyz@aol.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]RE: USPS best team ever?
> Message-ID: <8C74CA08D11B6D9-684-88BC@MBLK-M39.sysops.aol.com>
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> WARNING! WARNING! Veering off topic..Attention CR shoppers. Do not
> continue this thread as we injoy your comany and hate to lose you....
>
>
> Dale Brown
> Greensboro, NC
> http://www.classicrendezvous.com
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 18:05:56 -0400
> From: "Angel Garcia" <veronaman@comcast.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Lamborghini Ti Bicycle
> Message-ID: <00ac01c57e89$7d387b00$0b00a8c0@DXROOM>
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> This bike was listed in May with a starting bid of $9,500. Re-listed later
> for $6,099. Now it's down to $4,999 (starting bid). How low will it go?
> Angel Garcia
> Long Valley, NJ
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 00:02:31 +0100
> From: "Norris Lockley" <norris@norrislockley.wanadoo.co.uk>
> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Lamborghini TI cycle
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>
> I think that we have all followed this saga several times to know ell
> enough that thid frame is a Speedwell Mk 1 frame made in the UK in the
> 70s. That front fork is the give-away...as are the top-eyes if you
> manage to magnify the picture.
>
> I have an identical frame in my workshop, built up with the correct
> Campagnolo Record groupset parts for the period...although some of these
> look a little worse for neglect. If there's any List menbers out there
> lusting after this particular type of "Italian" stallion,
> my "Lamborghini TI bike is on offer for $750. Difference ifs that mine
> doesn't say Lamborghini on it..just Speedwell. Oh...and it has excellent
> provenance..having been assembled for and ridden by none other the the
> "Rochdale Cowboy" Mike Harding. star of stage, screen and books.
>
> It's a 54cms..so come now..there's only one at this price.
>
> Norris Lockley
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 00:34:22 +0100
> From: Bob Reid <robertrreid@tiscali.co.uk>
> To: Classic Cycling List <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Two Interesting Flying Scot's in France !
> Message-ID: <96DBF975-A49D-49C5-8B42-5F05CEE5F06F@tiscali.co.uk>
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> One from 1956
>
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7166987444
>
> and another from 1970ish - though the description says 62'
>
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7166987789
>
> Both from the same seller...
>
> Bob Reid
> Stonehaven
> Scotland
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> Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 23:47:01 +0000
> From: "Mick Butler" <pariscyclesuk@hotmail.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: RE: [CR]RE: USPS best team ever?
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> I know you guys are some what removed form the real world and like to stray
> from off topic but history goes back a long way from the last two decades.
> How about Alcyon (Kingfishers) ,Peugeot's and La Sportives. Oh and I forgot
> Automoto. I know you are going to call me anti American but wake up over
> there.
> America you have a proud and distinguished cycling heritage second to none
> in the track field but you seem to ignore this. Be proud of what you were
> really good at and rejoice. Lance how many classics and other tours?
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> Michael Butler Huntingdon UK.
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> >From: marc garcia <marcgarcia80@ameritech.net>
> >To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> >Subject: [CR]RE: USPS best team ever?
> >Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 13:38:35 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >I agree that the USPS/Discovery team is not the best
> >ever but I think that they can be called the best tour
> >team of all time. It is one thing to have 7 tour wins,
> >in my mind it is another to have 7 tour wins in a row.
> >Let's be honest, at least in this country to the
> >general population the tour de france is the only bike
> >race in existence and this team reflects that, this
> >team was put together to win this one race. You have
> >to give them extra points for dominating year in and
> >year out. It is comparable to Michael Jordan's bulls,
> >once they finally made it to the finals the first
> >year, every year after that you knew who was going to
> >win and the only way anyone else could win was if MJ
> >wasn't there on his own accord.
> >
> >I know the argument has been made that the field
> >during Lance's period has not been as strong as
> >previous eras but did Merckx have to deal with
> >competitors blood doping? If Lance is clean, and has
> >been clean during his run, his ability to defeat
> >chemically enhanced riders is even more impressive.
> >
> >Is this the CR list or sports radio? actually it has
> >to be the CR list, most sports radio hosts don't even
> >consider cycling a sport. To hell with them.
> >
> >marc garcia
> >chicago IL
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