[CR]Re: WAS: Reasonable Restored Masi NOW: So I finally own a Masi, what's the big deal?

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Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 10:35:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: Raymond Dobbins <raydobbins2003@yahoo.com>
To: Classic Rendezvous Bike List <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
In-Reply-To: <20050717172924.4029.qmail@web60414.mail.yahoo.com>
Subject: [CR]Re: WAS: Reasonable Restored Masi NOW: So I finally own a Masi, what's the big deal?

i don't feel any different - except poorer and wondering if i paid too much. boy was i wrong on the final price. did masi mania make me do it? i think a little - this is a good time to tell myself that i didn't pay too much, i just bought it too soon. oh well, i'm looking forward to building it up. i know nuovo record would be correct, but i'm going to have to go with super record just because i have the parts. and with tubulars of course.

should i ride it or hang it up and admire it? tough decision, but i think this one is definitely rideable since the finish is not original. a tip of the hat from this poseur to the hard cores who believe it would be a sin not to ride such a bike.

i guess no more whining from me about wanting a masi - i would like a de rosa though...

ray dobbins miami florida
> --- Raymond Dobbins <raydobbins2003@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > i realized that another $25 would make me the high bidder, so i
> went
> > for it. i really think this frameset is fully priced at $1,525 so
> > that
> > is my limit. opinions welcome.
> >
> > ray dobbins
> > miami florida
> >
> > --- Raymond Dobbins <raydobbins2003@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > hello all,
> > >
> > > dan's comment that when it comes to early 1970's masi's, the
> market
> > > remains quite hot, is being confirmed as we speak. a 74 italian
> gc
> > > frameset on ebay, ending in less than an hour, is up past $1,500
> -
> > i
> > > took it there, but that's as far as i am willing to go. it is
> not
> > a
> > > twin plate like dan's was, but it was recently repainted by
> > cycleart
> > > too. perfect size for me, so i went for it as far as my
> conciense
> > > allows - and pretty damn close to what my wallet allows as well.
> > > although it is not as nice as dan's (i remember that one, it was
> > > gorgeous), it will probably sell for around the same money as
> dan's
> > > ($2k). anyway, as the soup nazi would say, "no masi for you."
> > >
> > > ray dobbins
> > > miami florida
> > >
> > > --- Jim Innes <innesj@i-2000.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > DB, thanks for the opinion. I am tending towards your view. I
> > > > haven't
> > > > been
> > > > paying that much to classic market until the last 3 months or
> so,
> > > but
> > > > my
> > > > feeling as an amateur economist is that prices for good classic
> > > steel
> > > > are
> > > > rising, and from hanging around bike shops recently, more
> people
> > > are
> > > > talking
> > > > with enthusiasm for the prior generation of racing bikes. As
> for
> > > my
> > > > Masi,
> > > > it's already been repainted with a decent pro paint job in an
> > > > approximation
> > > > of a Masi red, and the plan was that my original Masi decal
> set
> > > was
> > > > going
> > > > to be applied by the owner of the shop, who's main business is
> > > > industrial
> > > > design, and he is quite graphically skilled and has a passion
> > for
> > > > good
> > > > old
> > > > bikes. I haven't seen the results yet, but likely it will
> > present
> > > as
> > > > a
> > > > competent looking restoration, but not equal to high class pro
> > > > restoration.
> > > > I will send you all pix as for further comments as soon as I
> pick
> > > it
> > > > up,
> > > > likely in a week or two. I am bit cash poor, so I am hedging
> on
> > > the
> > > > date.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks again for weighing in.
> > > >
> > > > Jim Innes
> > > > Wireless Access Technologies, Inc.
> > > > 4217 Ridge Ave. #2
> > > > Philadelphia, PA 19129-1745
> > > > 267 481 1461 f215 438 1220
> > > > innesj@watinc.net
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: DB [mailto:db@home-work.com]
> > > > Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 11:32 PM
> > > > To: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos; brianbaylis@juno.com;
> > > innesj@i-2000.com
> > > > Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [CR]Reasonable Restored Masi Gran Criterium Frame
> -
> > > Any
> > > > Advice,
> > > > Da ta Appreciated, + a List of My other Rides
> > > >
> > > > Jerry,
> > > > I will offer an alternative opinion, based on an Italian made
> > Masi
> > > GC
> > > > from the early 70's.
> > > > I bought the bike on ebay last summer for $800. It was a red
> > spray
> > > > can repaint, but was obviously (to my amateur trained eye) the
> > Masi
> > > > it was represented to be by the seller. I scooped it up very
> > > quickly
> > > > using "buy it now", yet realizing it would be slightly too
> small
> > > for
> > > > me. I decided I wanted to have it restored by Baylis, and maybe
> > > ride
> > > > it, maybe keep it, maybe sell it. Brian did a bang-up job,
> > > repainting
> > > > the bike in the medium Masi metallic blue. Thank you again,
> > Brian.
> > > >
> > > > I ended up listing the frame six months later on ebay and to my
> > > > surprise it sold for $2000 - hence I netted a handsome profit.
> > > > Truthfully, I did not expect to do much better than break even,
> > but
> > > > when it comes to early 1970's Masi's, the market remains quite
> > hot.
> > > > If any CR listers would like me to send before/after photos of
> > the
> > > > bike, just LMK.
> > > > -Dan Borden in Brookline, MA
> > > >
> > > > At 5:30 AM -0700 7/15/05, Jerome & Elizabeth Moos wrote:
> > > > >I'll second, from the customer side, what Brian said. I've
> had
> > > > >several frames restored, always with the full knowledge that I
> > > could
> > > > >never recoup the cost by selling them. There is simply,
> > > absolutely,
> > > > >no money in paying to restore a bike, then selling it. At
> least
> > > not
> > > > >if you pay to have it done properly by one of the highly
> skilled
> > > > >people on this list, including Brian. Perhaps a restorer
> might
> > > make
> > > > >a bit of money by buying and restoring frames himself, or at
> > least
> > > > >make something for his time. But this would only make sense
> if
> > he
> > > > >had idle time on his hands. As long as he has plenty of
> orders,
> > > he
> > > > >will do MUCH better by simply doing restorations for paying
> > > > >customers.