Re: [CR]Was there ever....?


Example: History:Ted Ernst
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:51:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Ted E. Baer" <wickedsky@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [CR]Was there ever....?
To: themaaslands@comcast.net, Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
In-Reply-To: <082220051456.4571.4309E7AC000CE947000011DB22058844849C0B020E049C0E0E030A089B@comcast.net>


Hi Steven,

I really enjoyed the photos of the Ganna bicycle. I have two questions:

1. Are the lugs on the Ganna bicycle the ones some refer to as "fish-mouth?"

2. I see that the Ganna has the old style "integrated headset" like the old Bianchis. What are some of the bikes other than the old Bianchis used these integrated headsets?

Thanks for the info,
Ted Baer
Palo Alto, CA


--- themaaslands@comcast.net wrote:


> Garth asked:
> "One of my bikes has the modern brakes that are now
> called dual pivot
> because the right arm pivots on the center bolt and
> the left pivots on
> its own side bolt. Well this is a good modern idea,
> but it seems still
> quite a bit less simple and elegant than the old
> center pull system
> which gives you two side pivots and a symmetrical
> arrangement to boot.
> The question is, did any manufacturer ever come up
> with a centerpull
> arrangement that had integral in the design its own
> pulling point, so
> that nothing needed to be attached to the headset
> nor the rear seatpost
> bolt? A quick search of my memory nor books I have
> turned up anything.
> Such a device could extend up from the center bolt
> the same one or two
> inches the common centerpull arrangement now has."
>
> Like virtually all things found on bikes, these are
> all very old ideas. I would guess that the idea
> dates from the early 1900's. Quite a few people have
> already mentioned British designs from the 30's and
> 40's. You can see a few examples of Italian ones
> from the 40's here:
>
> http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/1940s_Ganna
>
> These ones are marked Brevettato on the back of them
> meaning that they were patented.
>
> Another set that are actually quadruple pivots can
> be seen here:
>
> http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/1947_Soncini_City_Bike/Soncini_city_bike_brakes
>
>
>
> --
> Steven Maasland
> Moorestown, NJ, USA