Brandon,
I'm sorry that using KOF is a problem for you. My ONLY intention was/is to make a very informal tally over a day or two of list members who have purchased a frame from a builder in the last few years. The main criteria is all about did you put $ in a builders pocket, not a definition such as the flame. In my mind, KOF bikes and frames are what you might see on the floor of the Cirque that many admire.
Jonathan Greene Oviedo
In a message dated 8/11/2005 12:09:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, brandon@ivycycles.com writes: The problem is it should be that literal. Here we are and people are discussing Alan frames which are most definitely on-topic. What is the KOF of Alan and why shouldn't it be included? Is KOF just about lugs and steel? Does this mean that anyone who builds one lugged steel frame gets the KOF designation even if the rest of their line is CF and TI tig welded compact frames or MTBs? If so that needs to be stated. I've been on the list since the last century and have also taken a hiatus or two or three so I remember when the list was smaller and KOF rarely was talked about. What I'm saying is is the list about the history of lightweight bikes made before 1984, or about lugged steel bikes? Dale says, "We also consider "on topic" makers of very fine bicycles that can be seen as "Keepers of the Flame" for classic style" This is so vague that it really means nothing, and a KOF frame should be for really special builders. Anybody can call up Hank, Kirk, Richard, ETC and order up some stuff and build a lugged steel frame does this mean anybody can be a KOF? best, Brandon"monkeyman"Ives Coeur d'Alene, Idaho