Re: [CR]A Sugar Coated Paris Sport

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From: <hersefan@comcast.net>
To: Sheldon Brown <CaptBike@sheldonbrown.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Subject: Re: [CR]A Sugar Coated Paris Sport
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 23:43:11 +0000


The story of Paris Sport is interesting, but I'm not certain it is complete. A number of frames I believe were sent out with Paris Sport decals that were built in house (or perhaps finished in house?). I once had an invite to be a sort of slave laborer their through a friend. It sounded bad - and I had no skills, but they didn't care and that made me even more nervous.

Those at the Cirque this year might remember meeting my friend Paul LeMaire. He worked at Paris Sport for a while - he was the one who built the small lady's race bikes that the womens team rode when Betsy King was riding for them.

Paul's tales of working conditions at the shop are not pretty, and they treated the employees very badly (what, you want the money we promised you???). Paul was very much working for the Fraysees and in no way was he an independent builder.

Mike is probably very lucky that he did not take up the offer to build there. Sweatshop is probably an appropriate term for the operation. Maybe others have a different side of the story, but it wasn't pretty for everyone.

Mike Kone in Boulder CO


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> I get occasional inquires about this brand. Would you mind if I were
> to add the information in this posting to my Website? I would, of
> course, credit you, and provide a Web link if you would like.
>
> All the best,
>
> Sheldon
>
> At 12:08 PM -0700 9/16/05, wrote:
> >Dear Listies,
> >
> >
> >In reference to the confusion about Paris Sport and the numerous
> >framebuilders that worked at the Fraysse's shop over the years I
> >thought I might add a little of what I remember.
> >
> >Paris Sport was a house brand of the Fraysse's shop in Ridgefield
> >Park, N.J. The family has a long and VERY significant involvement
> >with bike racing in the United States. At one time or another I
> >believe Mike, father Vic, and grandfather Emile were all presidents
> >of the USCF/ABLA, etc. and they were all very experienced racers of
> >"the old school", i.e. heavily into track and old six-day lore, and
> >of course, their local bike club, the North Jersey Bicycle
> >Club(NJBC). They often managed / coached the Olympic/World
> >Championship trips abroad during the "dark ages" of adult cycling in
> >the US (the 40's to the early 70's).
> >
> >Some of the confusion over the brands and wildly different quality
> >levels comes from the fact that the Paris Sport shop imported MANY
> >different frames and bikes which they re-badged and decalled as
> >"Paris Sport". This is a very smart way to differentiate your bike
> >shop from others, and is a common strategy once a shop acheives the
> >size to bankroll such importing and wholesaling. The bikes ranged
> >from the somewhat generic $150 ten-speed bike boom special/UO-8
> >clones all the way up to Vitus glued aluminum frames. There were
> >also many different levels of steel frames brought in from the
> >myriad of smaller bike companies which still existed in France. One
> >of them was a company named Bernard Dangre', I believe. I can recall
> >going downstairs at Paris Sport, into the frame shop at the very
> >rear of the LOOONG store (it was once a bowling alley) and seeing
> >dozens and dozens of road and track frames hanging up from the
> >ceiling all primed up in flat green, just waiting for a buyer's
> >choice of top-coat. None of them was exactly top-notch, they were
> >all just production grade decent beginner to mid-level frames. I
> >think the Fraysse's used to do a fair amount of wholesaling to other
> >bike shops around the bike-boom, so this is also why they would have
> >had so many of these kind of things around. They would sometimes
> >decal these frames as "Vigorelli" or "Star Nord". The Vigorelli's
> >were the better quality frames back in the 80's.
> >
> >The aforementioned framebuilding shop was located all the way
> >downstairs and at the very back of the store. Here is where the
> >likes of Pepe' Limongi, Ramon Orero, Dave Moulton, and
> >Andres/Francisco Cuevas made and repaired frames. Apologies to the
> >other names I have missed. There were a myriad of builders who
> >worked there because the frame shop was operated as a sort of
> >separate entity - it was rented to the various builders and the
> >Fraysse's would try and steer a lot of business to whoever was
> >building there at the time. Sometimes the frame shop didn't have a
> >full-time builder. Mike and Vic offered to set me up and rent me the
> >shop when I was a youngster trying to learn how to build frames back
> >in the early-mid eighties. I was very inexperienced but that didn't
> >seem to daunt Mike or Vic - who sort of encouraged me and promised
> >that I would "learn as I went" (!) and that they would send lots of
> >business my way. In retrospect, I probably should have tried it, but
> >it all seemed like there were an awful lot of vague verbal
> >assurances and promises, and I was pretty aware of my marginal
> >skills at the time.
> >
> >So the frame shop would sometimes feature transient builders who
> >came over to the USA for a time and they would build for a while,
> >get homesick or whatever, and then they would move on. Because Paris
> >Sport was located a very short distance from New York City the
> >foreigners were always relatively close to the various vibrant
> >ethnic neighborhoods where they could feel a part of the community.
> >
> >It was all a very different world in the bicycle business back then.
> >A much, much smaller, more insular world where having good contacts
> >abroad was perhaps not as easy to acheive as nowadays. The number of
> >decent bike shops the size of Paris Sport were very few in the US
> >during the 40's to 70's. Especially ones that had experience with
> >high-end equipment and clothing.
> >One additional aspect of Paris Sport that really impressed me at the
> >time was the training and weight room that they had on premises. Now
> >that was truly unusual at the time but such a brilliant idea for
> >keeping people involved with the bike club and the shop during the
> >winter months when business would slow.
> >It was all part of an intelligent well-run bike club scene where a
> >new rider could rub elbows with experienced riders/racers and "learn
> >the ropes" of the arcane, dangerous, and little-known world of bike
> >racing at the time. A rider could try their hand at club racing and
> >activities BEFORE they entered the fray of "organized" craziness
> >that passes for the domestic sport nowadays.
> >
> >The lack of clubs like the NJBC, with their year-round activities
> >(time-trials, road races, training rides, roller races, award
> >dinners, social dances, interclub soccer matches, etc. etc.) and
> >ability to transform a newbie into an experienced and knowlegible
> >dedicated bicycle rider/racer - is what so hampers the current bike
> >scene in the US, IMHO. Lots of people riding very expensive
> >bicycles, but with very little skill or expertise.
> >
> >I think Mike Fraysse retired and sold the shop in the early to
> >mid-1990's. He went on to purchase and renovate the old Singer
> >family (Sewing Machines AND Bicycle company fortunes) estate in NY
> >state. His family and him run this as a B&B/retreat and supposedly
> >it is a wonderful joint. A good friend of mine went there a few
> >years ago and said there is excellent local riding on rural roads
> >with little traffic. Hopefully someone on the list knows more about
> >this and can provide additional details. It would be great if he
> >would join the list ! He would add a wealth of knowledge of bikes
> >and the bike world to our humble list, although I understand why
> >someone with so much involvement with bikes might want to keep a
> >little distance from the topic. So if you do locate him please don't
> >pester him with silly questions regarding how to wrap cloth
> >handlebar tape, or whether cheapo Atom hubs were better than cheapo
> >Normandy hubs !
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Mike Fabian in San Francisco
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
>
>
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