Re: [CR]Italian Bikes with non frame mounted Derailleur hangers

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Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:19:40 -0500
To: Don Wilson <>, Classic Rendezvous <>
From: Sheldon Brown <>
Subject: Re: [CR]Italian Bikes with non frame mounted Derailleur hangers

Don Wilson scritta:
>Is an old Italian road bike (say 40s,50s, 60s vintage)
>without an integrated derailleur hanger on the
>frame/dropouts necessarily a low end bicycle? Put
>another way, were there any fine Italian bikes being
>made during the 40s to the 60s without integral
>derailleur hangers?

This is not a specifically "Italian" issue. Integral derailer hangers were quite unusual before the mid 1960s.

Back in the day, hangers were not standardised from one brand to another...there were Campagnolo, Cyclo, Hurét, Simplex and probably other hangers, not generally compatible without a lot of fiddling.

Eventually, the Campagnolo style became the de-facto standard we use today.

A similar evolution occurred, but a bit later, with shift lever braze-ons.

Through the early '60s, you would often see very high-end bikes with plain stamped flat dropouts.

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