Re: [CR]Re: pedal x f/wheel overlap

Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:42:01 -0800 (PST)
From: Fred Rafael Rednor <>
Subject: Re: [CR]Re: pedal x f/wheel overlap
In-Reply-To: <>

Christopher, Bear in mind that many older British bikes - especially those built before WW2 - had extremely long top tubes, especially in the smaller sizes. I'm referring to frames with say, 19.5" seat tubes and 22.5" top tubes. Certainly, such a frame, set up with 165mm cranks and 26" tires might not have overlap, even with fenders. But my 1973 Witcomb, which I suspect is typical of the era, has noticable overlap with 165mm cranks and 700x25mm tires. Of course, this is a racing frame which doesn't have fender eyelets. You can click on the following URL to get a good idea of the geometry. Note that the overlap is already apparent in the topmost photo:

I don't have photos of my circa 1960s Armstrong but it also had a bit of overlap. That was with 170mm cranks and 27x1.25" tires, but I never rode with fenders. If I had, the overlap would certainly have been quite obvious. Best regards, Fred Rednor - Arlington, Virginia (USA)

--- "Barbour, Christopher" <>

> Jan Heine writes:


> The typical British high-trail geometries (with much less

> fork rake)

> often did have toeclip overlap, especially

> when set up with fenders.


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> Jan, I have ridden many British bikes, dating from the 1890s

> to the

> 1970s, and my friends own quite a few such machines in sizes

> from 19"

> c-t upward. None of these bikes have toe clip overlap with

> fenders. I

> cannot recall ever seeing a British bike from the classic

> era, apart

> from some track bikes (and not even all of those) that did

> not have a

> fairly large fork rake. I am curious to know what British

> bikes, and

> from what eras, you have found to have high-trail geometry.


> Christopher Barbour

> Boston, Mass.