Re: [CR] Now: Super Record reduced groups


Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:15:26 -0500
From: oroboyz@aol.com
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Subject: Re: [CR] Now: Super Record reduced groups
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<< I bought a bike that was advertised from the manufacturer of having a Super Record Reduced group, but it also had Record, not Super Record, derailleurs and headset. >>

Lou:

Dude, you got ripped off! Call that shop and say you want what you were supposed to get man! (Geez, I hate that don't you?)

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-----Original Message----- From: gpvb1@comcast.net To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Sent: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 00:32:18 +0000 Subject: [CR] Now: Super Record reduced groups

Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 15:48:07 -0500 From: loudeeter@aol.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Now: Super Record reduced groups, was: ID difference between NR and SR vintage pedals...

Jerry Moos said: "In the mid-70's to mid-80's a lot of bikes, at least in the US, were sold with "Super Record reduced" groups. This usually meant all SR except for SL pedals in place of SR, NR BB (steel axle) in place of

SR (Ti axle) and the hubs, I believe, were properly called just Record. "

Good to hear your memory is still working Jerry. I bought a bike that was advertised from the manufacturer of having a Super Record Reduced group, but it also had Record, not Super Record, derailleurs and headset.

An exchange from the archives on this subject in July 2002 from Chuck Schmidt, answering Jerry Moos is here:

http://search.bikelist.org/?SearchString=super%20record%20reduced

Open Quote:

Jerry Moos wrote:
> (cut)
> Nonetheless, most "all-SR" bikes came with SL pedals, not actual
> Super Records. I also believe, though Chuck may correct me, that the SL was
> manufacturer much longer than thr SR, so that for several years an SR gruppo
> would necessarily have had SL pedals, the SR having already been
> discontinued.

Jerry, the Campagnolo catalogs refer to what you're describing above as a "Super Record - Steel" or "Super Record - Reduced" group. This would be a Super Record group with the substitution of Nuovo Record BB and SL pedals. So a proper term for this already exists.

And an "all Super Record" bike would be exactly that! In other words, it would have an SR bottom bracket and SR pedals.

Chuck Schmidt SoPas, SoCal

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Lou Deeter, Orlando FL

Lou: An interesting (and yet nerdy!) aside to all of this is that there were only 2.5 parts that Campagnolo ever called "Nuovo Record." The rear derailleur, and the bottom bracket. Period. Oh yeah, and sometimes the Record headset boxes say "Nuovo Record" on them, for some reason known only to the Marketing Department of Campagnolo.... Everything else in an "NR" group is a Record part! (But lots of y'all knew this already, right?) The "NR" groups are referred to as "Record road group" and "Record track group" in the catalogs (like #18, for example). Additionally, AFAIK, there was never a dedicated packaging for "groups" from Campagnolo (excepting the 50th groups, of course). If you ordered a new Campagnolo "group" you got all the individual components in their respective boxes or bags. There were some mini-groups packaged as such, mostly drivetrain stuff, but no complete groups in specific packaging..... Greg "Campy nerdster" Parker Ann Arbor, Michigan http://www.bicycleclassics.com