Re: [CR] B-17 Champion Special saddles...Shape changed on recent ones?

(Example: Framebuilders:Bernard Carré)

Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 00:12:13 -0500
From: <joebz@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [CR] B-17 Champion Special saddles...Shape changed on recent ones?
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OK- I need to understand this in the old school context.

Lets start with the B-17. Way back when that was the top Brooks saddle.

Goings from narrowest to widest.

B17 Sprinter? (this one is inhumane) B17 Racer? Maybe longer also. B17 Narrow B17 (that's a pretty wide saddle)

Then the Pro was slotted in between the Narrow and the regular B17. And presumably better but that all varies hide by hide , doubler by doubler etc. For example a good B-15 is better than a bad B-17 especially since saddles with uneven thickness side to side are sort of doomed (unless the result matches your particular anatomy).

So where does the current Special sit in now?

I guess the Swallow is like a Narrow. I say that because I like the Narrow and I like the Swallow.

Ideale saddles are all just sort of puny. So an 80 or 90 really fits like a B17 Narrow.

Discuss.

Joe Bender-Zanoni
Great Notch, NJ


----- Original Message -----
From: gpvb1@comcast.net
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:49:00 -0000
Subject: Re: [CR] B-17 Champion Special saddles...Shape changed on recent ones?


> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 15:18:16 -0500

\r?\n> From: "Tom Sanders" <tsan7759142@sbcglobal.net>

\r?\n> To: <vladluskin@yahoo.com>

\r?\n> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

\r?\n> Subject: [CR] B-17 Champion Special saddles...Shape changed on

\r?\n> recent ones?

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Vlad,

\r?\n> I have two of them and I think they are shaped a bit more like the Pro

\r?\n> models. I also notice that the steel railed one I have is more

\r?\n> comfortablethan the Ti railed model. this puzzled me a good deal

\r?\n> until I finally

\r?\n> realized that the tension is set greater on the Ti one. Whether

\r?\n> all of them

\r?\n> are like that or not, I don't know but I am going to back off the

\r?\n> tension on

\r?\n> the Ti one a quarter turn and see if I like it better. I think

\r?\n> these are

\r?\n> about the most comfortable saddles I've found...especially the

\r?\n> steel railed

\r?\n> one.

\r?\n> Tom Sanders

\r?\n> Sitting in Lansing, Mi wishing I were going to the Tour De New York

\r?\n> withthose guys! What fun!

\r?\n> ----------------------------

\r?\n> The B-17 Special, in three colors, is the most popular Brooks

\r?\n> saddle that I sell, so it seems that many folks would agree, Tom.

\r?\n> The "basic" B-17 Standards (two colors, women's model as well) are

\r?\n> right behind the Specials in popularity, then probably the Team Pro

\r?\n> (four colors, women's models too, now a Ti men's one also). After

\r?\n> that it's a bit of a toss-up - maybe the Flyer is next in

\r?\n> popularity? I stock several Ti-railed Brooks saddles now, but only

\r?\n> sell a few of each type per year. The cost premium is significant,

\r?\n> but they are significantly lighter as well. (Some are available

\r?\n> only with a Ti frame, of course, such as the Swallow Classic and

\r?\n> Swift...).Greg Parker

\r?\n> Ann Arbor, Michigan

\r?\n> http://www.bicycleclassics.com