Re: [CR] Ernst/Campbell at 1952 Chicago 9-Night Derby

(Example: Framebuilding:Restoration)

From: "ternst" <ternst1@cox.net>
To: "ternst" <ternst1@cox.net>, "Ben Kamenjas" <bici_pimp@mac.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
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Subject: Re: [CR] Ernst/Campbell at 1952 Chicago 9-Night Derby
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:11:53 -0800
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Sorry, forgot to sign off in the heat of the action. Must be seeing a cute gal in the stands. The small flange hubs had tied and soldered spokes by the way. Ted Ernst Palos Verdes Estates, CA


----- Original Message -----
From: ternst
To: Ben Kamenjas
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 10:04 PM
Subject: Re: [CR] Ernst/Campbell at 1952 Chicago 9-Night Derby



> Well!
> Buddy Campbell's tires have a few tape wrap arounds to give extra support
> to rolling off worries.
> Don't think it really helped that much but who knows?
> Sometimes guys would do that if they were concerned that when blowout or
> puncture occurred the tire would stay on rim and not get wrapped up in
> frame/fork.
> Ted never did that, tires were glued well and I didn't worry about it I
> guess.
> Gear ratio was 26x8, or 52x16 we called it 92inch gear by the old 28 "
> math going back to turn of century. (only 50 years then.)
> Now it's 88" by 27"/700 type figuring.
> I'm riding a prewar German Diamant chainwheel on a German Patria WKC ,
> bicycle made in Solingen which is in heart or the industrial steel belt.
> City is much more known for its cutlery and similar product, razors etc.
> We imported the bikes in limited quantity, the WKC factory sponsored a pro
> team at the time and was very successful in those first 10 years after the
> war.
> The track frames were brazed fittings, many of the road frames were fillet
> brazed.
> I think those were Scheerens wood filled alloy rims, the flash shadow
> makes it look darker.
> Buddy was riding a Wastyn/ Paramount
> Gys rode any way they liked, with or without taped bars. He only has one
> glove for stopping and probably liked the feel of smooth steel. Plugs were
> mandatory, so bar edge wouldn't gouge the rider in a spill.
> The stem was what many of you refer to as death type french alloy stems,
> good enough for us, never broke one!
> Never even knew girls existed, we were as pure as the driven snow. < I
> have this timeline bridge for sale>
> Yeah the boards were much cheaper to put up like that and they did cup
> somewhat so it was a little rumply-bump.
> We got used to it and it did make for a rumbling sound when the thundering
> herd spun and jammed by, but that added a dimension of sound that enhanced
> the action. we adjusted our tire pressure to compensate a little.
> The Delhi, Chicago Shewbridge, the other Derby cities had the same
> construction, about 3-5" wide boards, easier to put up and tear down and
> could be built to move and reuse.
> Hope this answers your Q's, and gives you a better feeling for what it was
> like
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ben Kamenjas" <bici_pimp@mac.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 9:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [CR] Ernst/Campbell at 1952 Chicago 9-Night Derby
>
>
>> Aldo's Pic of the Day (grazie mille!!!!!) shows
>>
>>
>>> Ted Ernst & Jimmy "Buddie" Campbell
>>>
>>> http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/album17/
>>> 1952_Chicago_9_Nite_Derby_Ernst
>>> _Campbell
>>>
>>> Action shot from the 1952 Chicago 9-Night Derby (2-1/2 hrs per night).
>>> Jimmy "Buddie" Campbell is seen here pushing our own Ted Ernst into
>>> jam.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> So Ted ....... looking fast my good sir.
>>
>> some questions :-
>>
>> What's the tape around your partner Buddie's rim/tires??
>>
>> That's a good size chainring you seem to be using for such
>> distance/duration. Any idea what gear size you were riding? Why does
>> your partner seem to have bar plugs and no bar tape?
>>
>> What is that frame you are riding? Looks neat. Also the rear rim seems
>> to have a raised centre .... like steel Kendricks (sp?), but surely by
>> then alloy rims was de rigeur? Or is them's wood? Also what stem is that
>> you were using? Open ended at the front from what I can make but lugged
>> as well.
>>
>> Lastly, excuse me saying this Ted but you is handsome ... chicks must
>> have been all over you. I see your partner couldn't resist either.
>>
>> Much appreciated. Great picture and I admire that you were there and
>> racing. That makes you the second coolest person on the CR list. Pergo
>> is 1st of course, not just because he has a chrome Cinelli pista in my
>> size, but he is just the coolest cat I'm likely to ever meet (he even
>> told me so).
>>
>> Bravo !!!!!
>>
>> ciao,
>>
>> Ben Kamenjas
>> Bondi, Oz