Re: [CR]American Frame builders taking their inspiration from the Italians

(Example: Racing)

Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 05:55:00 -0800 (PST)
From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <>
Subject: Re: [CR]American Frame builders taking their inspiration from the Italians
To: Tom Sanders <>,
In-Reply-To: <001601c63abb$0e72d5a0$644aff44@ts>

I think Chuck's statement may be accurate for the West Coast. On the East Coast/Midwest, British bikes were a bigger influence as Mssrs. Sachs, Weigle and Fattic demonstrate.


Jerry Moos Big Spring, TX

Tom Sanders <> wrote:
    When Chuck said of Italians "They provided the source of inspiration for most of the US frame builders in the early 1970s I'd add. " My eyebrows went up sharply. I certainly would not dispute his word, as I know full well he has forgotten more about bikes than I'll ever know and I really have the deepest respect here. I would ask how this Italian influence squares with the fact that so any of the American frame builders went to England to learn how to build? Was it simply that employment in Italian bike shops was not available, or perhaps the language barrier was intimidating ? Hard to imagine such stalwarts as Richard Sachs, Doug Fattic and Peter Weigle being easily intimidated, but maybe. For sure Richard's bikes have more than a bit of the Italian in them to my eye (Now I may be getting into real trouble), but Peter's bikes seem to embody the English more and Doug's are clearly part of that American School represented so well by himself, Chris Kvale and Eisentraut. Although Doug's fancier lugwork is certainly English influenced. Lord, I have probably alienated all of them by this point! Hope not. Chuck would you expand on your comment a bit? Perhaps a couple of frame builders might chime in here too? Tom Sanders Lansing, Mi