Re: [CR]Golden Age

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Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 13:07:20 -0500
From: <joebz@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [CR]Golden Age
In-reply-to: <20060227164448.62952.qmail@web82211.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
To: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
References: <s402dcbe.044@GW15.hofstra.edu>
cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

Many Americans participated in the Olympic road races of the period, including a bronze for Carl Schutte in the 1912 Stockholm Olympics. See http://users.skynet.be/hermandw/olymp/spcyrmrr.html and related pages, assuming these lists are correct.

Joe Bender-Zanoni
Great Notch, NJ


----- Original Message -----
From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:44:00 -0000
Subject: Re: [CR]Golden Age


> Fascinating, but that still leaves the question as to road racing

\r?\n> in say 1890 to 1920, which was more or less the heyday of American

\r?\n> track racing.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Regards,

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Jerry Moos

\r?\n> Big Spring, TX

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Edward Albert <Edward.H.Albert@hofstra.edu> wrote:

\r?\n> Jerry...There was road racing long before the bike boom. I have

\r?\n> pictures of a hundred guys lined up in Queens, NY in 1941 and in the

\r?\n> late 30's waiting for the start of 100 mile road races that went

\r?\n> out to

\r?\n> Nassau County on Long Island and back. It wasn't just immigrants

\r?\n> per se

\r?\n> although the clubs tended to reflect European origins like Unione

\r?\n> Sportiva, the German Sports Club, the French Club, Dick Power's All

\r?\n> American Wheelmen, etc. People like Otto Eisle Sr., President of the

\r?\n> ABl, the Seuberts, etc. Racers like Furman Kugler, Arthur Lauf, Jacl

\r?\n> Heid....on and on. These guys organized and raced on the road. Of

\r?\n> course it wasn't Italy but it wasn't then and it isn't know our

\r?\n> nationalpasstime and never will be.

\r?\n> Edward Albert

\r?\n> Chapaqua, NY

\r?\n>

\r?\n> >>> Jerome & Elizabeth Moos 02/27/06 10:46 AM

\r?\n> >>>

\r?\n> No, by Golden Age I meant the Golden Age of American racing, when

\r?\n> riderslike Major Taylor were winning World Championships. What I was

\r?\n> questioning was whether there was any significant road racing in

\r?\n> Americain this era, or if the competition was all on the track. If

\r?\n> all on the

\r?\n> track, this would imply the increase in American road racing in

\r?\n> the late

\r?\n> 60's was not a renaissance, but a new phenomenom. Except that

\r?\n> there was

\r?\n> probably always a little road racing in America, emulating Europe and

\r?\n> involving recent European immigrants.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> One thing which makes me suspect that there was not much road racing

\r?\n> in America in the early 20th century: I was watching the DVD of

\r?\n> Lance'sWorl Championship in Oslo in 1993 a few days ago. Phil

\r?\n> Liggett, who was

\r?\n> commentating, mentioned that was the 100th Professional World

\r?\n> Championships, the first being held in Chicago around 1900.

\r?\n> However, he

\r?\n> said the first Professional Road Race World Championship was not held

\r?\n> until about 1927. That there was no Professional Road Race World

\r?\n> Championship until 1927, even though the Tour de France started

\r?\n> in, I

\r?\n> think, 1901 would imply that perhaps in the early part of the 20th

\r?\n> century, road racing was a mostly European form, with limited interest

\r?\n> in America, and perhaps in the British Empire.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Regards,

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Jerry Moos

\r?\n> Big Spring, TX

\r?\n>

\r?\n>

\r?\n> greenjersey@ntlworld.com wrote:

\r?\n> If I am following this correctly Jerry is referring to a Golden

\r?\n> age of

\r?\n> road racing in Europe between 1890 and 1920. Clearly that was the

\r?\n> periodwhen the Monuments and National Tours were founded but does that

\r?\n> constitute a Golden age? I'm not sure it does. I suppose you would

\r?\n> needto know numbers competing, public and media interest etc. to

\r?\n> identifythe right era. I think I would plump for the thirties and

\r?\n> forties when

\r?\n> bikes were "modern" but the races were still over heroic distances and

\r?\n> terrain.

\r?\n> On another topic I read that the British are "socially conservative"

\r?\n> Maybe, but equally there is a long tradition of eccentricity at all

\r?\n> levels of society. After all how conservative is a grown man

\r?\n> racing a

\r?\n> trike? Also in many towns there was a frame builder who would, for a

\r?\n> modest sum, express your personality in steel. One of the last frames

\r?\n> that I saw at Bill Philbrook's had "Bates" forks and "Hetchins" stays

\r?\n> and all for the price of a weeks holiday on the Costa Brava !

\r?\n> Jerry writes:- Of course, one could argue that America never did have

\r?\n> any

\r?\n> significant road cycling in the "golden age" and that there was no

\r?\n> renaissance in the late 60's but the discovery of the European

\r?\n> form of

\r?\n> road cycling virtually for the first time. If this is true, it

\r?\n> makes the

\r?\n> Paramount even more remarkable. Anyone know of any good books or

\r?\n> other sources which discuss American road, as opposed to track, racing

\r?\n> between say 1890 and 1920? Certainly American's did a lot of

\r?\n> cycling on

\r?\n> the road for recreation and transportation before the automobile

\r?\n> killedmost of this off, but I've seen little information about

\r?\n> road

\r?\n> competition in that era.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Regards,

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Jerry Moos

\r?\n> Big Spring, TX

\r?\n>

\r?\n>

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