[CR]

(Example: Production Builders:Cinelli:Laser)

From: "cmontgomery" <cmontgomery15@cox.net>
To: "ClassicRendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 22:28:30 -0700
cc: sachshm@cox.net
Subject: [CR]

Harvey wrote:

What do we want from a framebuilder before we offer our patronage, before we commit our funds to him for some uncertain time before the transaction is completed? PARTNERSHIP. I don't want to feel that I am just bringing money to the table. I need to feel that the builder listens to what I need for my kind of riding, to what I want (ride, appearance), and will build a bike

that helps me feel better about riding. I trust that he (or she) won't give me something stupid, even if I ask for it, but will explain why my "wants" were not good. I'm curious enough to want to know what tubing and angles & such he's chosen, but darned sure not gonna tell him which to use (I don't think I have the right to select both materials/specifications and outcome, since the former may affect the latter). My hope is that those who are thinking seriously about getting a KOF

would be willing to share how they will select a builder.

My selection was easy Harvey. He lives about 4 miles from me, he's meticulous to a fault, and he listens to me. I worry a bit because he's pretty young, late 30's, and doesn't have the experience riding under the conditions in which I ride, but he listens to my riding experiences and tolerates looking at my innumerable photos. I trust him, but I am darned sure telling him what geometry I want or he doesn't get my cash. I know what I like now. On the other hand, tubes, lugs, etc., they're his. Braze-ons, ours. Paint, I may even give that to him. The end result should be a very English bike that anyone can tell is one of his.
      I'm not all ga-ga. Not waiting in breathless anticipation. No reverential awe. I know how I want the bike to handle under what conditions. Build it for me. I really wish the "art" part was not such a big part, but what I want is not available commerically, so I put up with it. Deep down inside though, I wish Titch Morris was still building. Hey Titch, I need this, this, and this. Fine, see you next week.
      This is my last bike. I'm 53. Craig Montgomery, Tucson