[CR]Re: Stretching new Tubulars

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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 09:36:49 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: [CR]Re: Stretching new Tubulars

The traditional way of stretching tubulars: standing on a section of tire and pulling till you hear the base tape start to give has some limitations, mostly to do with degrading the basetape. A much better and easier way to stretch tubulars is to infate them to about 140 psi and leave them for 6-8 hours. As you pump them up, they'll turn inside out exposing and stretching the basetape and the stitching. This gives you an easy access surface to put your basecoat of glue on also without smearing it over the edges of the base tape. Through the years owning a bike shop I've glued up lots of tires and taught customers how to do cleanly themselves.

I recommend a thin layer glue on the rimtape and rim, as thin as you can put it on...then let it dry. When you've stretched your tire sufficiently, you apply another thin layer to the rim and let it sit until it's still tacky but won't pull off spider threads when you touch it and pull your finger away quickly. Then, with about 15-20 lbs pressure in the tire, starting from the valve hole you slip the tire evenly around the rim from both sides. When you get opposite the valve, with the rim braced up against the edge of a table and against your thighs, you have leverage to lift the tire with your thumbs on the basetape over the rim edge. Before it sets and you add more pressure, spin it and check the base tape from either side to see how evenly the tire sits, with this light pressure in it you can roll the tire to seat more evenly. When you're satisfied it's on straight, pump it up to about 85 lbs and let it sit a couple hours before riding it. If you're planning to ride some mountains with it, overnight is better. Any little glue overruns clean up nicely with naptha, Lacquer thinner and acetone also work but degrade the sidewalls and latex faster.

Hope this helps,

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: KOF Ron Cooper (Dale B. Phelps) 2. NOS Ron Cooper in a local shop for sale. (Peter Naiman) 3. RE: Trike Pics on Wool Jersey (neil foddering) 4. Re: Roman Road Cycles in England Trikes (neil foddering) 5. WTT: Mavic gold 28H tubular rims (L Travers) 6. Trike Riding (Michael Butler) 7. Why I would need an experienced KOF builder - not just a craftsman of bikes (Bianca Pratorius) 8. Re-Reaming,honing steerer tube (geoff duke) 9. Trike conversions kits (charles nighbor) 10. Riding classics in a modern world (Dennis Young) 11. trikes & balance 12. generic world colors stripe decals or stickers for frames (Otis) 13. Re: Survey Says: keep KOF prices where they are...:-) (Joe Starck) 14. Vintage items for sale march 2006 (charles nighbor) 15. Great tape measure for carrying around...... (Angel Garcia) 16. Re: Stretching New Tubulars (Pete Geurds)


Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 12:20:28 -0800 (PST) From: "Dale B. Phelps" To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Re: KOF Ron Cooper Message-ID: <20060313202028.58095.qmail@web30904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Reply-To: losgatos_dale@yahoo.com Message: 1

Here's the link to three snaps of my fine-fine-finely-crafted Ron Cooper-built Bates, get a load of those headlugs!


Dale Phelps, Longmont CO

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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 12:48:54 -0800 (PST) From: Peter Naiman To: classicrendezvous Subject: [CR]NOS Ron Cooper in a local shop for sale. Message-ID: <20060313204854.70289.qmail@web30904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 2

There is a gorgious Ron Cooper in a local shop, with extremely ornate lugwork. I saw this frame months ago, but with too many Hetchins projects ongoing I simply cannot afford the Cooper. It was custom made for the original owner by Ron Cooper in most likely the late 80s to early 90s, but with older stock ornate lugs. I believe the size was 55cm, might might be incorrect. The shop manager is asking $1500, but might take a lower offer. If anyone wants to follow the lead for this frame, email offlist and I'll give you the shop number and manager's name.

Peter Naiman Glendale, WI


Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 21:08:26 +0000 From: "neil foddering" To: marc.stmartin@earthlink.net, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: RE: [CR]Trike Pics on Wool Jersey Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <17134236.1142275283597.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 3

Hello Marc,

Are you aware that a repro 1930's Buckley Brothers ccatalogue is available? Let me know if you want details.

Neil Foddering Weymouth, England

>From: "Marc St. Martin"
>Reply-To: "Marc St. Martin"
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: [CR]Trike Pics on Wool Jersey
>Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 10:41:23 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
>With all of the conversation on Trikes, here are a couple of Pre-War racing
>trikes on my Wool Jersey page; a Buckley Brothers and a Selbach. I enjoy
>riding the Buckley Bros. trike frequently around the roads and paths of
>Livermore, CA. The Selbach is currently under restoration.
>Marc St. Martin
>Livermore, CA


Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 21:11:41 +0000 From: "neil foddering" To: pariscycles@yahoo.co.uk, cnighbor@pacbell.net Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Roman Road Cycles in England Trikes Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060313190047.35359.qmail@web25307.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 4

Ther's one on eBay at the moment - see:


Neil Foddering Weymouth, England

>From: Michael Butler
>To: charles nighbor
>CC: CR Rendezvous
>Subject: Re: [CR]Roman Road Cycles in England Trikes
>Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 19:00:47 +0000 (GMT)
>Hello Charles,
>The type of trike on this web site is called a "K"
>type. The K stands for Kendrick. They have the same
>wheel configuration as Moggie (Morgan) Beeza (BSA) or
>Triking three wheeler.
>Now I will have a go on anything but most definitely
>not a "K" type. Have tried a Kendrick, Higgins and a
>Taylor and they are all bloody frightening! In fact if
>you blindfolded me and tied my hands behind my back
>and put on the stokers seat of tandem piloted by Tony
>Oliver and we did the descent off the Glaibier down
>into Briancon I would feel a darn sight safer and
>No the "K" stands for something else in my vocabulary
>and you wouldn't have to fit a pair of Lambert alloy
>forks, Atax stem or the infamous Cinelli pedals to it
>as it would be frighteningly enough already.
>The only advantage on one of these contraptions is
>that you can use conventional hub or derailleur gears.
>Cheers Mick.
>Thats all for now. Keep those wheels spinning, in your memories if not
>still on the road. Be lucky Mick Butler Huntingdon UK.


Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 15:45:09 -0600 From: L Travers To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]WTT: Mavic gold 28H tubular rims Message-ID: <4415E7E5.3050507@swbell.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5

These are Record du Monde del'heure rims, probably NOS. I say probably because that is how they were sold to me, but one rim clearly has clearly had a tire glued to it. However, it does not appear that it was ever ridden as the braking surface is not marred. There are scratches probably from storage and some glue on the one rim. I took a cursory swipe to wipe it away and most of it disappeared. I took a chance on these being 36H as it was not specified in the auction and for the price, I decided not to hesitate. I will take pics later and post them at my usual place, but that won't be until later tonight


What I am looking for is gold rims in 36H. NOS is not needed, but might be nice. Will consider clincher or tubular. If I can't trade, these are going to eBuy.

-- Lynn Travers Hazelwood, MO


Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 21:50:14 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael Butler

To: CR Rendezvous Subject: [CR] Trike Riding Message-ID: <20060313215014.649.qmail@web25310.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 6

Like most 50+ British children I started riding on a tricycle. Brand names which come to mind are Triang, Sunbeam, Gresham Flyer (Rolls-Royce of kids trikes) and Raleigh Winkie. The last has a very strange name as winkie meant something entirely different to us kids back then, more about winkies a little bit later on.
>From tricycles to bikes this was the normal right of passage. No one used stabilisers in our part of London far to sissy. You just got on and rode. My first real bike was an Elswick Hopper, must have visited every engine shed, railway terminus, bus garage and trolleybus depot in London on that Elswick. Mad keen bus and train spotter way back then. Used it for fishing expeditions as well. It got me everywhere. Funny thing in London back then we were banned from cycling to school and this was when traffic was relatively light, now they are trying to encourage the kids to ride to school and the traffic is downright dangerous. Strange world. In November 1960 we moved from West London to Stevenage New Town, spanking new purpose built town. This town had the finest cycle path network in Europe at the time. Soon found the local train spotting haunt where everyone gathered this was on the old London North Eastern Railway line, the one that runs from London Kings Cross to Edinburgh using the East Coast route. The initials LNER were corrupted to the Late and Never Early Railway by us kids. This place was full of the local railway society club people as well, some real strange men amongst this group, one in particular liked reading stories about single women living on their own with an Alsatian dog, really pornographic and a clear signal to stay clear of this gent. He must have been only in his late 20's but he seemed ancient to us lads. Now this guy had a gammy leg and because of this he couldn't ride a bike but he did posses the most beautiful Higgins Ultralight racing trike. This is where I learnt to ride a proper mans trike. I use to borrow it to ride up and down the hill on Bridge Road which had a fierce camber. Firstly I rode it cross handed so that you had to concentrate on steering and then normally, wasn't long before I was riding to Little Freds or Big Freds Cafe's in Stevenage Old town to get the bacon rolls and teas for the group, amazing the amount of stuff you can carry on a tricycle a regular domestique. Wonderful times waiting for the food and drink in the cafes watching the girls jive to Nut-rocker by B Bumble and the Stingers and other such classics of the times. In the December my Dad gave me for Christmas a brand new Claud Butler Challenge and I was soon riding with our local club and racing in club time trials. Back then most time trials had what we called dead turns, the courses were out and back but you got turned around in the middle of the road by a marshal, would never happen today because of the traffic. Well it wasn't long before I was borrowing the Higgins to see what I could do an evening 10. Just to see how much slower my times would be, much to my surprise I was quicker on the trike and this is when I got hooked. Finally this loco spotters club was absolutely full of perverts but because you knew who they were you could always be on guard against their predatory advances, but there was this one particular occasion where we nearly got caught out. The club had organised a works visit to Sratford Railway Works and being dead keen we all wanted to go, this was one place you could never bunk in (trespass) the only way in was with an official shed permit. Saturday came and we boarded the train at Stevenage Station for the visit. This was back in the days when they were still using non-corridor suburban coaches, just compartments, well I got in one with by best school mate Terry Harrigan. We thought great all alone and we could have a crafty smoke without the grown-ups around us when one of the adult loco perverts jumped in our compartment at the last minute just as the train was leaving the station, we were trapped no way out and the next stop was over 23 miles down the line. It wasn't long before he started making advances to this pair of schoolboys but this is where humour can diffuse a very difficult and worrying situation. Now Terry had a wonderful Herfordshire accent just like the late great Sir Bernard Miles the famous actor. Now this accent and dialect has now sadly virtually disappeared but it had a lovely funny sound to it. Terry now said those unforgettable words which diffused this tense and difficult situation "We know what you are after you are after playing with our water squirters!" This trike man was really interested more in our winkies than the Higgins or engine numbers but it worked and stopped him dead in his tracks. No pun intended. Sadly much later on several members of this club went down (Prison sentences) for crimes of indecency against children. Next my children on the trike, the Hobbs TT and the three F's ride.

Thats all for now. Keep those wheels spinning, in your memories if not still on the road. Be lucky Mick Butler Huntingdon UK.


Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:09:55 -0500 From: Bianca Pratorius To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR] Why I would need an experienced KOF builder - not just a craftsman of bikes Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7

Today's inputs included a list member who is coaching a young builder into making him just the bike he needs. After all the bikes I have ridden I am still not sure of all the details which translate into a perfect melding of man and machine. I know how long a top tube I need and what length of seat tube, and stem. I think I might know how long the chainstays should be, and maybe the seat tube angle. I wouldn't be sure of what bottom bracket height I would need nor what combination of headtube angle and fork rake/trail. I wouldn't know if I need Columbus genius or 853 or oversize or what gauge of tubing. I would be only to happy to specify what style of lug, or binder post, or braze on,or brake bridge, or color.

I am often surprised by the effects of changing forks or ridding a bike which is an unknown quantity. This all brings up the wisdom of buying from a builder who knows what he is doing and who tends to build what you already know you will like. It must be a frightening experience to wait a year for a bike only to find out that it still doesn't do what an old trusty, Italian steed has done for you for all these years. Perhaps an experienced builder can even insist that you really need one thing, even though you are sure you'd be better off with another. I would hope that an experienced builder more often than not would be right. I think that there must be a lot more to this game than just getting the fit and finish spot on.

Garth Libre in Miami Fl.


Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 09:58:23 +1100 From: geoff duke To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Re-Reaming,honing steerer tube Message-ID: <> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 8

Hi Rodney I have to agree with Mark here and express my doubt as to the source of your problem.If the build up of chrome inside the steerer is stopping you insert the stem then the threads on the outside should also be resisting the headset.If it is not I would be looking for another reason. Geoff Duke in Melbourne Australia


Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 15:46:20 -0800 From: "charles nighbor" To: Subject: [CR]Trike conversions kits Message-ID: <002f01c646f8$548bf550$71bffea9@CharlesNighbor> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 9

In England Conversions kits to get a Trike http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/trykit/page%201.htm and the England Trike Association http://www.tricycleassociation.org.uk/Home.html

Enjoy Charles Nighbor Walnut Creek, CA


Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1970 10:47:21 +0900 From: Dennis Young To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Riding classics in a modern world Message-ID: <78A32BDE-80FA-4192-952F-382B0C233BC7@woodworkingboy.com> In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain;charset=US-ASCII;delsp=yes;format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 10

I'm different from most CR members I think, in that when I was a kid I didn't much dream of the fancy Italian job in the bikeshop window. It just seemed unobtainable, and my salvaged Schwinn varsity was enough for me to ride home dirty on, and sometimes dodge the cops through the fields with. The statute of limitations on my crimes is well past now, and it is only in the last ten years that some chakra opened up to the wonders (and obtainability) of hand built bikes,.... alas, a slow learner on all accords. Ten years ago I bought a modern made steel lugged bike with high end Campy components, and since then have been going in the reverse direction in terms of modern has more appeal. Rarely do I see a classic bike on the road in these parts, and I don't give a c%#p what anyone thinks. I've made it back to the sixties now with my latest purchase. Some ride better than others, but I'm adaptable to change my riding style and distance to fit the day and bike, having spent all that time making it pretty and optimal riding again. If possible, I'd like to check out the world before I was born. After I do that, I think I'll be more ready for a KOF bike, more understanding of what I'd like to have.

Thanks for reading my tale.

Dennis Young Hotaka, Japan
> I must agree with Garth,
>> I still find either complete ignorance that I
>> am riding anything but just some "older cheaper bike", or only a
>> rare
>> nod to the classic steel under me.
> Here in Australia few recognise the elegance of a time-honoured
> classic bike, even when you steam past them, uphill with front and
> rear black 'duck' cotton bags, white hair and varicose veins.
> I have been riding the same bike for over 30 years so it's probably a
> case of man and machine fusing into one effective unit.
> My Harry Quinn still kicks arse, but I now keep it in reserve for the
> big social rides, where the odd 'old fart' recognises it's essential
> character.
> Most of my riding is now on a modernish steel frame built about 10
> years ago by a Australians Ken and Paul Evans. It's not any faster or
> slower, despite all the mod cons, it just looks more 'ordinary'. I do
> appreciate the convenience of STI levers even if they don't have the

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