Re: [CR]KOF: Rivendell is the new H.D.

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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:26:29 -0800 (PST)
From: "Peter Naiman" <>
Subject: Re: [CR]KOF: Rivendell is the new H.D.
To: Raymond Dobbins <>,
In-Reply-To: <>

Ray; I agree with you in that, although Brian is a very fine craftsman in his own right, his opinion is purely his own. I highly respect Brian as a builder, restorer etc, but as said I do not believe that he is in any better position to judge what is handsome or beautiful than anyone else on this list. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Peter Naiman Glendale, WI

Raymond Dobbins <> wrote: I would bet that enough people on this list would agree that Rivendell lugs are not hideous (that is, so ugly as to be repulsive), to support the conclusion that Brian's statement is clearly an extreme and exagerated opinion.

And unlike Phil, even if I agreed with Brian's opinion, I do not believe that Brian is in a better position than anybody on this list to decide what is pretty and what is ugly, be it in a lug or a Hawaiian shirt :)

Ray Dobbins Miami Florida wrote:

In a message dated 3/16/06 8:40:34 AM, writes:
>I personally think it is way out of line and in very poor taste to call
>a fellow KOF's bikes or lugs "hideous".
> Sorry, if anybody on this list has the bona fides to back up his opinions it's Brian. And he's not alone. I hate the Riv lugs with the extended head tube that can't be cut off. Hideous. Phil Brown You don't need it with a properly sized frame in San Rafael, Calif.