Re: [CR]When can an "abandoned" bicycle

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Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 07:56:06 -0800 (PST)
From: "Peter Naiman" <>
Subject: Re: [CR]When can an "abandoned" bicycle
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Dale; Years ago I was in a shop in East Boston, picking up some vintage Campag stuff, and the owner had a complete room with a mountainous growth in the side room, adjacent to his sales area with a pile that went from floor to ceiling of old bikes that were either abandoned by owner who didn't pay the repair bill, or just junk. There must have been a few hundred bikes in the pile, but the shop was in business about 35-40 years.

Peter wrote: cycles de ORO, Inc. waits a year and documents contact attempts, complete with warnings of impending sale. We also only sell the bikes for an amount that covers the repair charges and storage fees, that way not seeming to gain additional profit from the act... It very rarely happens, but inevetably, when we do finally get rid of a bike, the former owner shows up shortly after that, raising Holy hell. Ugh...

Dale Brown cycles de ORO, Inc. 1410 Mill Street Greensboro, NC 27408 USA 336-274-5959 Giant, Specialized, Orbea, Bianchi, Felt, Litespeed, Landshark, Colnago, Townie and other exotica. National Bicycle Dealers Association Board member

-----Original Message----- From: Raymond Dobbins To:; Sent: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 05:54:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [CR]When can an "abandoned" bicycle change ownership

It depends on the "lien" or "abandoned property" laws of your state. Most states probably have laws like Florida's, that say that after a specified period of time and written notice by certified mail, a shop may dispose of goods by sale or auction. It's been a while since I dealt with this, so I am not up to date, but I think that no matter what a ticket or receipt may say, there is a minimum period of time, 60 or 90 days, before a shop can begin the process of notifying the owner of the goods that his property will be sold after a certain date unless payment in the amount of $__________ is received.

Shop owners don't have to hold property indefinitely, but they have to follow very specific guidelines before being allowed to sell property to recoup their expenses.

Ray Dobbins Miami Florida wrote: The recent tete' a tete' about selling a bicycle to recoup expenses raises a question. In the bike business, when a person brings a bike to the shop for repair, repaint, or whatever, and doesn't return to pick it up and settle the bill, at what point does the shop owner sell the bike to recoup expenses? I once went into Wheelsmith in Palo Alto and they had dozens of bikes in an 'abandoned' state. I inquired about buying one and the guys looked at me like I was an alien. They said they hold bikes for years sometimes. It seemed that their practice was that as long as they had room, they kept them. If I recall, most repair forms have a statement that the owner must pick up the bike within a set amount of time or risk losing their bike. I suspect the shop owner must also make an attempt to contact the bike owner prior to disposing of the bike too. What is the acceptable practice? Is it a record of phone calls, certified letter, or some other form of notification. I know in real estate property matters, if you don't pay your property taxes, the state can sell your land/house at auction after several years, but they also post the names of delinquent taxpayers in the newspaper on a regular basis. Is there a similar set of state laws that governs this or something else? Lou Deeter, Orlando FL

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