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Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:30:53 -0700
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Today's Topics:

1. Re:Hans Ohrt and the Beverly Hills Shop 2. Re: CR List Items for sale... 3. Shimano Dura Ace & Return (Mick Butler) 4. Frustration! Suntour superb brakes levers needed... (Tom Sanders) 5. Re: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 40, Issue 59 Chains, mix and match 6. For Sale Bates (Stan Butler) (Mick Butler) 7. Masi information request (Daniel Artley) 8. Re: Trexlertown (Daniel Artley) 9. Re: Masi information request (John Jorgensen) 10. Re: Shimano Dura Ace & Return (David G. White) 11. Rare Track Book (Mick Butler) 12. Suntour Brake levers found... (Tom Sanders) 13. Pics of "new" Raleigh Super Course... age? (Jeff Potter) 14. Mick's Return and a couple of questions (Paul Williams) 15. Re: eBay Masi's 16. "Radnall fitments" (Paul Williams)

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Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:01:56 +0000 From: bhufford3@mchsi.com To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re:[CR]Hans Ohrt and the Beverly Hills Shop Message-ID: <041420061401.1990.443FAB54000AFFD4000007C6219792474103010CD2079C080C03BFCC0 B9D0100009A080D@mchsi.com> Precedence: list Message: 1

I hate to horn in on this thread with a commercial post, but I was going to out these anyway and it just happened to be coincidental.

1939 Rudge Catalog from the Hans Ohrt Beverly Hills Shop. Export edition, 41 pages, includes all-models ("Supersafe Traffic", Light Roadster, Sports, Super Sports, Light Tourist, Roadster, and Tradesmen's Carrier model). Also includes gear tables, hints and tips. Cover shows light wear and soiling. Interior clean. No rips. Catalog measures 8-1/2" x 5-3/4".

http://ebay.com/<blah>

1939 Lewis Lightweights of Chicago bicycle catalog. 14 pages, includes all- models (Sportsman, Super Club and Club Racer models). This is a very rare catalog from a marque that was not around for very long (at least that is the story I'm getting from folks who were in Chicago at the time). Cover shows very light wear and soiling. Interior clean. No rips. Catalog measures 11-1/4" x 8- 1/4" and includes the original (unused) mailing envelope.

http://ebay.com/<blah>

Thanks for your indulgence.

Now back to your regular thread ...

Bob Hufford Springfield, MO

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Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:13:39 EDT From: Cantiflex@aol.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Re: CR List Items for sale... Message-ID: <2f9.353ddf7.31710813@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2

Hi All, I have listed or will be listing several items on eBay for sale....either Auction or Buy it Now Format.... Can be found via rey0531..

RARE Bates triple T Frameset....630mm c-t Original Renolds 3/32" Chains... 8 GBP OR $14 NOS NOT listed on eBay yet... Hand-Cut Lugsets....Minimum 5 Pieces....VERY ornate... Rotrax 125 GBP or $215 posted airmail Ephgrave No1 Super 125 GBP or $215 posted airmail.. Macleans Apollo 125 GBP or $215 posted airmail. PLEASE NOTE...These are the LAST Hand-Cut lugsets available.... Lugcutter has no more 'Blank' Sets Left...Very sad as the guy's a genius.....

1960s Carradice 'Nelson' Model Canvas/Leather Saddlebag NEW OLD STOCK.. 55 GBP $95 posted airmail. 1970s Rotrax Cape....Large, full-size English Made...Yellow, heavy Material. Top Quality (cost 55 GBP all those years ago).. 50 GBP $80 posted airmail. NEW OLD STOCK

PlEASE CONTACT OFF LIST. Ray Etherton (Looking forward to meeting with you again..all that are going to the Cirq') Maldon, UK.

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Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:47:54 +0000 From: "Mick Butler" <pariscyclesuk@hotmail.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Shimano Dura Ace & Return Message-ID: <BAY114-F27AAC8310625D4231DB5C3ABC00@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 3

Dear all, Sorry for the the lack of postings during the last month or so but I had to temporary suspend my CR membership. This was due to family difficulties. Regarding Shimano Dura Ace these web site are wonderful;

http://dura-ace.shimano.com/publish/content/duraace/en/home/history/original _dura-ace.html

http://corporate.shimano.com/publish/content/corporate/en/shimanocorporatesi teen/about_shimano/company_history.html

Also remember checking Sheldon Browns site where he has posted a 1973 Shimano Dura Ace catalogue.

Martin Copeland raised a very valid point regarding British Cycle Shops being tied up with particular wholesalers importers and concessionaires. Maidson had the virtual monopoly on Shimano for a time. This shop was in Kilburn but they were a little bit prentitious and refered to their address as West Hampstead. Maidson's were never that popular with club cyclists who much prefered to go to Joe Whiskers who were also in Kilburn. Alan Ephgrave was the mamager there and a lot of customers had run ins with him as his personality could be a little bit abrasive. Me I thought he was a smashing bloke and could'nt do enough to help, great wheel builder. Joe also had a shpp at Goffs Oak which was really their wholesale shop and outlet, opening he was limited. Despite this most people used Whiskers rather than go to Maidison's. Joe would only stock good stuff that spare parts were readily available for. Shorter's in Finchley , Morris's in Walthamstow, Birds of Colindale and Farrells all had a loyal customer base and gave good service, I always thought Holdsworths and Evans (The Cut) hopeless and the welcome in Condors could be variable. Out of the last three Holdsworths was the worst. Alf Hetchin use to give our club schoolboys Triplex rear mechs (Campag Copy) for free or at trade prices. These gears if adjusted correctly where wonderful. Hetchin's was a great shop and Hanlon's.
>From where the wheels don't spin as fast as they use to. Be lucky Michael Butler Huntingdon UK.

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Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:00:07 -0400 From: "Tom Sanders" <tsan7759142@sbcglobal.net> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Frustration! Suntour superb brakes levers needed... Message-ID: <007001c65fd4$1f0f9c20$873cff44@ts> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4

After waiting all Winter to put together an eagerly awaited bike, I pull out all the stuff in eager anticipation and discover that my Suntour Superb Pro group is missing the brake levers! Anybody got a set to sell...good condition or better? I probably have nearly any other kind of levers (most NOS or NIP) to work into a trade deal, or cash ...whatever gets me into a set rather quickly! Thanks, Tom Sanders Lansing, Mi

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Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:02:49 EDT From: Crumpy6204@aol.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Re: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 40, Issue 59 Chains, mix and match Message-ID: <276.886bdd2.31711399@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5

I also have had problems with chains, Also I have found that putting a Regina chain on Regina block does NOT allways work, My 1979 Legnano with 1979 Campag Super Record Rear gear. NEW 6 sp Regina Block and NOS Regina chain, even with lots of oil etc, did NOT run smooth at all, I changed to a Sedis USED chain and NOW runs smoth as silk, probly the broken in chain, maybe if I had ridden a few miles the NOS Regina stuff would have worked out OK . THIS PART I LIKE!!! yesterday temp in the 80s clear blue skies, WHITE mountain tops, rode my 1950s Vittoria, Campag Gransport equiped, 40 miles, rode along at 10MPH!!! LOOKING at the beautifull sites, NO shirt!! only shorts!!! 73 yrs old and STILL enjoying life, YOUTH IS WASTED ON THE YOUNG, like the member said AINT LIFE GRAND!! keep on ridiing, thats what its all about, Cheers John Crump OldgoonforeverBrit, Parker, in WONDERFULL Colorado, USA

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Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:03:18 +0000 From: "Mick Butler" <pariscyclesuk@hotmail.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR] For Sale Bates (Stan Butler) Message-ID: <BAY114-F341C2A73DFD847BCE527EDABC00@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 6

Bates BAR 22.5" Road Frame. Frame No. UU 12999 as far as I can see. Diadrant forks Cantiflex tubes. History purchased by my Father-in-Law from Stan Butler's in 1961. He was told by Stan it was made in 1949 by Jimmy Long who was one of Bates top frame builders. My Father-in-Law worked at Trojan Cars Purley way in the 60's and Allin's was their local lightweight shop Still in same paint from 1961, Norwood Paragon's club colours. No rust .Small easily repairable ding in top tube. Condition is very good. Price £225.00 includes air shipping insured. By coincindence there is a Bates on ebay at the moment and shipping is quoted at £57.50 by surface. You are getting this sent by Air insured. Normal delivery within 7 working days. Surface can take up to 100 days but if you so wish I can use this service. I am sure someone told me the date of manufacture and model can be verified by the frame number? Please contact off list.


>From where the wheels don't spin as fast as they use to. Be lucky Michael Butler Huntingdon UK.

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Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 12:32:30 -0400 From: "Daniel Artley" <dartley@co.ba.md.us> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Masi information request Message-ID: <s43f9680.081@inetgw.co.ba.md.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 7

Since we're talking so much about Masi lately and I have just recently joined "Club Masi" as Charlie Young so aptly put it, I have a few questions.

1. I'm still collecting parts, so I haven't taken anything apart yet. Are the California Masis' Italian or English threaded? I suspect Italian.

2. Mine has a set of water bottle braze ons on the down tube, as does my old Colnago. Were these original to the Masi frame back then? Mine appears to be original paint.

3. Someone (Bob Hovey?) recently suggested that there was some inconsistan cy in frame sizing, c-t with some being long or short M60 to the top of the lug point. The chainstays on mine seem particularly long making the bike quite comfortable. Lining the axle up with the seat stay as a tradition for me usually seems to center the axle in the dropout, but this is pushed forward of that, and I still have quite a bit of clearance between tire and seat tube. Is this pretty standard for that era?

I'd appreciate hearing about these. I'm apparently not too good at searching the archives.

Dan Artley in Parkton, Maryland

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Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 12:35:01 -0400 From: "Daniel Artley" <dartley@co.ba.md.us> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Re: Trexlertown Message-ID: <s43f9719.023@inetgw.co.ba.md.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 8

To paraphrase Matthew Bowne "If any of you are planning on attending the upcoming swap meet at the Trexlertown velodrome (either as a vendor, shopper, visitor, etc.) and have any of the following parts available for sale, please e-mail me off list, so that we can put the "rendezvous" in CR!"

If anyone can help me (I know there's no helping me! He's hooked, He's hooked, His brain is cooked!), I'd sure appreciate getting together at the swap. I'm looking for just a few parts and have a possible swap:

1. dropout screws for Campy long slotted rears, the long or short length works. I'd like to find the ones with metal heads rather than plastic, but I'll get what I can.

2. a nice pair of Campy record levers. I've got a toasted set of the longer reach ones that will polish up if necessary, but I'm still looking. Hoods aren't necessary, but would be a plus.

3. Looking for a NOS or nice, set of Campy cable clips.

3. I've got a pair of 36 hole, slightly more modern than CR, but nice NOS Campy Omega Hardox, box section, dark anodized rims still in the wrapper that I'd like to trade for a nice set of 70's silver rims in good condition, also 36 hole. Preferrably Mavic, but? ... Anyone? ... Bueler? ...

All these items are for a '74? Cali Masi GC that I'm trying to dress up. Its definitely a rider, so things don't have to be too perfect, but I'm still looking for good condition if its available.

Trades anyone? All these bikes are starting to thin my parts inventory a bit, but I've still got stuff for trade.

Happy trails,

Dan Artley in Parkton, Maryland where I rode my Raleigh Pro up yesterday to see the toxic spill on the highway a mile or so from my house.

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Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:16:12 -0700 From: John Jorgensen <designzero@earthlink.net> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Masi information request Message-ID: <443FD8DC.D0AC92DB@earthlink.net> References: <MONKEYFOODseZ8J2TaT00006314@monkeyfood.nt.phred.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9

Answers to Dan Artly's questions

1. California Masi's have Italian threading throughout.

2. Downtube waterbottle braze-ons were standard on Masi road bikes back then from Carlsbad.

3. Masi's measure "short" compared to other brands for a given size. I have a 55cm bike with chainstays measuring 412mm along the chainstay from the center of the BB to the center of the axle, the axle is set as delivered at the front of the dropout. All factory built bikes I have seen have the wheel set as such, how it was measured for design application for production purposes may be different.

Masi's after the Carlsbad period start to vary much more dimensionally. Other size bikes will be different. Basically the chainstays get shorter over the years. Earlier Milano GC's have longer chanstays for a given size also.

John Jorgensen Torrance Ca

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Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:33:55 -0400 From: "David G. White" <whiteknight@adelphia.net> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Shimano Dura Ace & Return Message-ID: <443FDD03.5030305@adelphia.net> In-Reply-To: <BAY114-F27AAC8310625D4231DB5C3ABC00@phx.gbl> References: <BAY114-F27AAC8310625D4231DB5C3ABC00@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 10

Don't forget the 1974 Dura Ace catalog on Mark Bulgier's site. It shows more details of the individual parts.

http://bulgier.net/pics/bike/Catalogs/Dura-Ace-74/

David

David G. White Burlington, VT

Mick Butler wrote:
>
> Dear all,
> Sorry for the the lack of postings during the last month or so but I
> had to temporary suspend my CR membership.
> This was due to family difficulties. Regarding Shimano Dura Ace these
> web site are wonderful;
>
> http://dura-ace.shimano.com/publish/content/duraace/en/home/history/original _dura-ace.html
>
>
> http://corporate.shimano.com/publish/content/corporate/en/shimanocorporatesi teen/about_shimano/company_history.html
>
>
> Also remember checking Sheldon Browns site where he has posted a 1973
> Shimano Dura Ace catalogue.
>
> Martin Copeland raised a very valid point regarding British Cycle
> Shops being tied up with particular wholesalers importers and
> concessionaires. Maidson had the virtual monopoly on Shimano for a
> time. This shop was in Kilburn but they were a little bit prentitious
> and refered to their address as West Hampstead. Maidson's were never
> that popular with club cyclists who much prefered to go to Joe
> Whiskers who were also in Kilburn. Alan Ephgrave was the mamager there
> and a lot of customers had run ins with him as his personality could
> be a little bit abrasive. Me I thought he was a smashing bloke and
> could'nt do enough to help, great wheel builder. Joe also had a shpp
> at Goffs Oak which was really their wholesale shop and outlet, opening
> he was limited. Despite this most people used Whiskers rather than go
> to Maidison's. Joe would only stock good stuff that spare parts were
> readily available for.
> Shorter's in Finchley , Morris's in Walthamstow, Birds of Colindale
> and Farrells all had a loyal customer base and gave good service, I
> always thought Holdsworths and Evans (The Cut) hopeless and the
> welcome in Condors could be variable. Out of the last three
> Holdsworths was the worst.
> Alf Hetchin use to give our club schoolboys Triplex rear mechs (Campag
> Copy) for free or at trade prices. These gears if adjusted correctly
> where wonderful. Hetchin's was a great shop and Hanlon's.
>
>> From where the wheels don't spin as fast as they use to. Be lucky
>> Michael
>
> Butler Huntingdon UK.
>
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Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:39:10 +0000 From: "Mick Butler" <pariscyclesuk@hotmail.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Rare Track Book Message-ID: <BAY114-F13B53ECEA55F7ECA2556B0ABC00@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 11

I have a copy of the very rare book "A History of Manchester Wheelers 1883-1983". Manchester Wheelers is a very famous club former stars include W.H.Webb, J.S.Banyon, J.E.Sibbett( Reg Harris's frame builder), Sid Cozens who was a star in USA 6 Day, Reg Harris, Alan Geldard, Cyril Cartwright, Alan Bannister, Wes Mason, Dave Lloyd and John woodburn to name a few. Loads of pictures of Harris and the clubs other world stars. A must have book for fans of track cycling especially. Wonderful book in very good condition £21.00 includes express postage please contact off list.


>From where the wheels don't spin as fast as they use to. Be lucky Michael Butler Huntingdon UK.

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Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:56:42 -0400 From: "Tom Sanders" <tsan7759142@sbcglobal.net> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Suntour Brake levers found... Message-ID: <012701c65fec$ca48ff60$873cff44@ts> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 12

I am embarrassed to say that I had them all along. Many thanks to the several kind folks who so generously offered their assistance. I hope that if any of you ever need anything, you will call on me so that I may return the favor. Thanks all, Tom Sanders Lansing, Mi

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Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:17:48 -0400 From: Jeff Potter <jeff@outyourbackdoor.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Pics of "new" Raleigh Super Course... age? Message-ID: <v04210107c06595e79287@[192.168.0.2]> In-Reply-To: <MONKEYFOODg2KCwa6Hk000063c5@monkeyfood.nt.phred.org> References: <MONKEYFOODg2KCwa6Hk000063c5@monkeyfood.nt.phred.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 13

I just got delivery of a Raleigh Super Course, 25", root beer / coffee.

Any idea of the date of this one?

Here are links to a couple pics:

http://outyourbackdoor.com/Images/raleigh.rootbeer.big.jpg

http://outyourbackdoor.com/Images/raleigh.rootbeer.head.big.jpg

The name decals have the newish "Rampar" look. Shimano Crane rear der, Suntour Cyclone front, cottered Stronglight crank, B17, Capella lugs.

Serial number 0081167. (1967?)

License tag says 1974.

To me, it has a mix of 60's and 70's feel to it.

It's in pretty darn nice condition. A bit more faded (and scratched) than I'd hoped for. That coffee/rootbeer to me only comes on strong without sun-fade. It loses a lot to the sun. I don't like the "HotWheelz" era name decals. A couple paint blobs at lugs. But no stretch in chain. Everything was clean, fresh and true. Rides nice! I dunno what I'll do with it yet.

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Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:17:39 -0400 From: "Paul Williams" <castell5@sympatico.ca> To: "Michael Butler" <pariscycles@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Mick's Return and a couple of questions Message-ID: <00a301c65fef$b737aea0$8aabfea9@YOURE7C4726E5B> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 14

Mick,

Good to have you back mate - your contributions were missed. Hope all has resolved itself?

While nursing a bad cold I have been sitting down perusing a copy of the Cycling Manual 22nd ed. 1950, which just arrived in the post yesterday.

For you and some of the vet Brits to mull over! A couple of things caught my attention an advert for Norman which had a pic of Wally Summers astride an Invader - says he was the holder of a number of distance records. And yet, when I look at the charts in the Manual it shows him as only the holder of the London to Pembroke run in 1949.

I was also struck by the fact that a Miss M. Wilson was the holder of just about every Women's Road Record as of Dec. 31, 1949 - single, both amateur and professional, and even one tandem record with a Mrs. Uren. When I tried to find info about Miss Wilson nothing came up on the internet. She seemed to have been prolific at all distances although not in the national time trials (R.T.T.C.).

I was also intrigued by the success in the 1930s of the Vegetarian Cycling and Athletic Club team. Were these teams sponsored by specific makers at the time or did they ride a variety of bikes?

Just the curiosity of someone looking out at a beautiful sunny Spring day and feeling like death warmed up!!!

Anyway Mick - welcome back.

Cheers,

Paul.

Paul B. Williams, PhD (Queen's) 70 Viscount Ave., Ottawa, On, K1Z 7M9 ph: 613-761-3867 e-mail: castell5@sympatico.ca

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Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:24:21 -0400 From: wheelman@nac.net To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Re: eBay Masi's Message-ID: <20060414142421.o83qqrjz6okosw0c@webmail.nac.net> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=ISO-8859-1;format="flowed" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 15

I really like Bob's explanation on the plight of Masi frames as people modified them for functionality as time went by. I also noticed the lament that lead him to write his response. Funny thing about collectors, the original in most anything is usually desireable so making modifications takes away from that "as born" look and feel. Still if no one made these modifications then the "value" of the originals would be worth less, maybe far less. The ol' supply and demand rule takes hold. More originals, less demand and prices drop. Sometimes the modification becomes the minority and commands a better price. Think about it, in those days when these modifications were taking place the owner valued them more than an original set up which was considered a pain. At that time if you had money, walked into a bike shop for a new bike and saw one of the older models with clamp on components and the newer one with integrated components which would you have chosen. You have to look at it as a buyer user not a buyer collector. This upgrade as you may call it probably happened to hundreds of bicycles that to this day no one cares about. Only the marquee names that collectors value seem to drum up this lament. My wife has a way of putting things into perspective and I am sure some of you have experienced this also. When I pay big money for a bike and show it to her she usually say's...So another bike, so what. That is all she sees and many who have bought bikes in the past have no clearer vision than that.

Oh, by the way. If you swapped out that hard drive or sound card on the computer you are looking at right now, you modified it. Some collector down the road will wonder, why did you ever do that? Hope you saved the components and have them wrapped up in case you ever decide to restore or sell it.

Ray Homiski Elizabeth, NJ

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Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:25:37 -0400 From: "Paul Williams" <castell5@sympatico.ca> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]"Radnall fitments" Message-ID: <00ac01c65ff0$d3ec3420$8aabfea9@YOURE7C4726E5B> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 16

Again, looking at the 1950 Cycling Manual, there is an advert for Radnall's Fitments of Birmingham est. 1895 and listed as "Quality Fitments."

There is a wonderful "scientific" testimonial from a Prof. A.M. Low, who was considered to be "the greatest authority and exponent of Cycling Technology," to the relaibility and quality of the "Grip-It" de luxe patent adjustable ring bearing brake!

Can anyone tell me more about Radnall's and do they ever come up for sale anywhere? What other parts did they make and how did they compare to other makers of the time?

Paul "you shouldn't always trust the word of someone with a string of letters after his name" Williams

Ottawa, ON, Canada

Paul B. Williams, PhD (Queen's) 70 Viscount Ave., Ottawa, On, K1Z 7M9 ph: 613-761-3867 e-mail: castell5@sympatico.ca

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