Re: [CR]Missing more - Two Masi bikes for sale on iBOB

(Example: Framebuilders:Chris Pauley)

Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:44:19 -0400
From: <loudeeter@aol.com>
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Subject: Re: [CR]Missing more - Two Masi bikes for sale on iBOB
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org


Mike Kone makes a very good point. Recently, there were two repainted 1971 Masi bikes on ebay, both listed at the same time. One was Richard Sachs' bike that garnered a high bid of over $6000. The second one didn't go over $1500 frame/fork if I recall, and had had the dropouts replaced. Even accounting for the Richard Sachs bike having a complete NOS parts package, the disparity between the two frame prices might have been accounted for primarily because of the non-original dropouts. I agree with Mike--if you have major frame repair, disclosure is important, but the seller should be aware it will lower the value. Lou Deeter, Orlando FL

-----Original Message----- From: hersefan@comcast.net To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Sent: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:15:11 +0000 Subject: Re: [CR]Missing more - Two Masi bikes for sale on iBOB

I think I missed something else here as well - dosen't the original ebay post omit the info that the dowtube was replaced? Only in the posted question responses does this info come out. Did I miss something in the body of the original text on this? By not providing this information for all to see, it seems that travel at least started down that slippery slope of misrepresentation. I sure has heck would want to know up front if a frame I was buying had undergone major tube replacement. Hopefully Mark simply did not realize that such a repair constitutes much more than a typical extensive restoration.

Mike Kone in Boulder CO


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From: "Steven L. Sheffield"


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\r?\n> Some people might assume that "built for a friend of mario's" means "built

\r?\n> by Mario for a friend" ...

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\r?\n> Even so, it's still speculation, since no one really knows the provenance of

\r?\n> the frame.

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\r?\n> However, I think that Mark was being perhaps overly enthusiastic, rather

\r?\n> than intentionally misleading; seizing and believing the possibility that

\r?\n> the frame may have been built by Mario as a fait accompli.

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\r?\n> I think that everyone involved is over-reacting.

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\r?\n> The facts are that it's a beautifully Brian Baylis-restored, but unusual

\r?\n> Masi ... this fact alone should be enough to intrigue some buyers.

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\r?\n> As to whether or not it was "undoubtedly built by Mario Confente" ... well,

\r?\n> only Mario knows for sure, and he's not around to clear things up.

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\r?\n> On 04/24/2006 05:44 AM, "Angel Garcia" wrote:

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\r?\n> > Am I missing something? The ebay listing says, "Confente Built Masi". I

\r?\n> > don't anything in Brian's note (attached by Mark Flaming) that quotes Brian

\r?\n> > as saying it was a Confente built Masi.

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\r?\n> >From Craig Fenstermaker to Mark Flaming:

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\r?\n> >> we have completed our initial inspection and have discovered;

\r?\n> >> 1) this is an unusual bike, it does not follow any s/n system that brian

\r?\n> >> or i am familiar with.

\r?\n> >> 2) it had columbus record chainstays instead of the standard chainstays.

\r?\n> >> 3) it has lead a hard life, lottsa rust and several dents / dings /

\r?\n> >> previous repairs

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\r?\n> >> 1 & 2 leads us to believe that this might have been a masi employee's

\r?\n> >> bike originally, or perhaps it was built for a friend of mario's.

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