Nigel is absolutely right that the real divide is between England and Scotland. I and many other Englishmen dream of the day that the UK breaks up and there is again an English parliament in London. I can confirm that the Southport CC in the sixties had about 100 members. I dont think anyone rode a Raleigh, maybe one or two on a Carlton. One or two guys had frames from "down South" that they had bought while stationed there when doing National Service. I remember a Rotrax and maybe a H.E. Green? I would say that 90% of members rode a frame from a small lightweight builders located in the North West of England. I think Frank is wrong to say that only 10% of clubmen raced. I have a Southport CC Club 25 start sheet listing over fifty riders. As I say we had 100 members. I think the racing/touring frame distinction was pretty irrelevant in the sixties. I rode a first category road race on my Walvale and the next day I fitted mudguards, HP's (wired ons) and a Carradice camper longflap saddle bag and left for a three week tour of Spain. Cycled to Southampton, boat to Santander and then on to San Sebastian to see Simmy win the Worlds. We did another 1000 miles in Spain. With 72 degree angles and a 42 inch wheelbase my "massed start" bike made a perfect tourer. Ray Green, Brighton, ENGLAND
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