[CR]Re: DeRosa Anniversary with 50th on ebay - "issues"


Example: Framebuilders:Dario Pegoretti

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From: Ben Kamenjas <bici_pimp@mac.com>
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 08:51:52 +1000
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: [CR]Re: DeRosa Anniversary with 50th on ebay - "issues"

I might chip in ....

Firstly, the seat stay bridge is a different style to any that I've seen on a 35th. Production may have varied (maybe). The lining, the decals the chrome, the panto'ing and apint are all correct. I know for

the most part what separates a 35th anniversario from other standard De

Rosa's is the partly panto'd C Record gruppo, the specific paint and decals and the serial number particular to this special issue or series. Whether it Cyclart or a crack head on a street corner I think

it prescient to at least show or note the serial number if selling something as being the real McCoy or at least acknowledge it has lost

it's original gruppo bar the headset (even the stem and bar are incorrect to this particular model).

Not to cast aspersions but CyleArt restore and repaint bikes don't they

?? Where I professional outfit such as they I would fill in a few blanks that most collectors who fall into the price range offered would

be aware about and raising their eyebrows over. A serial # would be a

big start ... yes it's an easy email but really ..... ?? It's also easy to admit the parts were stripped long ago as seemingly most have

... nobody will bug for them admitting that.

I agree to question the technicality of NOS seeming the parts aren't original and it seems to have been ridden if evidenced by the fitted freewheel cogs. I could ride a frame for many, many miles and it wouldn't show any wear except for the parts ... now that the parts on

it are incorrect ..... who's to say or prove without doubt NOS? More importantly, even I can make and source those decals and had done so. I

did because I was planning to strip the paint on my 35th, paint it a different colour and then have the decals on hand if/when i decided to

go back to original. In the end I left it as is and sold it on without

murking it's history and originality. I got a great price and so would

Cyclart for theirs if they backed up their claims and filled in some blanks of question.

Again, I know this is sensitive and the seller is a list member but I

don't care if it's CyclArt or a crackhead on the street selling something, i just look for the facts. In the same it matters not who's

selling it if what I see or am being shown raises questions whilst others are unanswered. I don't think the price is unrealistic but the

marketing and validation of the product as is will ensure it remains listed for a long time .... but, it's on ebay and you never know. Now

where did I leave my glass pipe?

ciao,

Ben Kamenjas Sydney, Oz

On 10/05/2006, at 4:57 AM, classicrendezvous-request@bikelist.org wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> The 35th De Rosa bike was factory spec'd with C-Record (with the Ugo
  
> signature panto'd on the Delta brakes and/or the crank arms), so the
> 50th Anniversary gruppo is really not correct on this frame. And
> while the frame looks like it may be unblemished (I dón't know about
  
> unridden), the 50th gruppo is either light used, or more likely, seems
  
> to have suffered the consequences of outdoor storage. And as far as
> the f/w, some of the cogs definitely show the kind of wear that comes
> after more than just a casual tune-up ride.
>
> The Cyclart price, IMHO, is unrealistic. Given the rarity a 35th De
  
> Rosa in such a large size, and the rarity of a 50th with 175 cranks, I
  
> would say that the FMV of this bike would max out around $2,500.
>
> Nice saddle though - Lou Deeter collect those fancy Regals.
>
> Ray Dobbins
> Miami Florida
>
> hersefan@comcast.net wrote:
> Someone commented to me off list that what appears to be corrosion
> might actually be cosmoline - I'm not sure I believe it, especially at
  
> the toe clips. And the freewheel still looks used to me. But I did
> want to at least let folks know that there are other opinions out
> there as to what I observed from the photos.
>
> Mike Kone in Boulder CO
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: hersefan@comcast.net
>
>> Howdy folks,
>> I was reviewing the images of this bike on ebay for a friend and
>> found some
>> "issues" that the group should be aware of.
>> It is a DeRosa 35th anniversary frame (not sure what that means,
>> looks like one
>> of the generic ones from the 1990's that DeRosa did with different
>> retro decals
>> but made with investment cast bits so it all looked a tad off) built
>> with a
>> Campy 50th group.
>> The add says "Unridden and unblemished!"
>> Take a look at the photos and you will see worn cogs on the alloy
>> campy
>> freewheel, and lots of corrosion on the steel bits such as bolts and
>> cable
>> adjusters and toe clips. In my mind, this is neither unridden nor
>> unblemished.
>> Not too bad from the photos - but if you are expecting something
>> perfect as the
>> add says I suspect the buyer might be dissapointed.
>> Also note that the headset is C-rec, not the correct super record.
>> The add does
>> not state if the correct headset is also included.
>> The URL for the bike listing is
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/64x60cm-DeRosa-35th-Anniverary-bike-w-Campagnolo-
>> Aniv_W0QQit
>> emZ7170871376QQcategoryZ98084QQcmdZViewItem
>> The item is very hard to find on ebay - it is inside the CyclArt ebay
  
>> store and
>> has a buy it now price of $3,895.
>> The bike may be extremely nice in person, and with some clean-up
>> might be quite
>> a nice machine. It just does not seem to jive with the description.
>> Mike Kone in Boulder CO