[CR]Now Lambert and Ron Kitching


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From: "NIGEL LAND" <ndland@btinternet.com>
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Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 09:34:20 +0100
cc: bhufford3@mchsi.com
Subject: [CR]Now Lambert and Ron Kitching

Bob, Nice looking bike. Firstly, I am not that experienced at id-ing frames! The man you need is Norris Lockley, but I guess he is holed up in France. I have read Ron Kitchings biography and I don't believe that he was ever a frame builder. He was, of course, the K of MKM, but that was not until the 1970s and he was primarily involved as the financial backer of Metcalf and Mason. Kitching was mainly an importer and builder of marques, such as Milremo components. His main frame supplier was the French builder Andre Bertin and his frames were sold under the Ron Kitching brand. I have nothing on Kitching/Bertin frames, perhaps someone out there does. The tie up with Bertin started in the late 1940s. Nigel Land North Lincs UK

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As I remember it (hah) the first Lamberts were sort of prototypes and ha d some sort of Ron Kitchings connection. I suppose the threaded BB is the telling difference. Some of the earliest ones are also branded Reg
   Harris. Apparently there were similar Ron Kitchings frames, probabl y built with 531. I guess the TA? arms on Lamberts are part of the c onnection because Ron Kit was the UK TA distributor.I noticed I made t he Cirque banquet cutoff by the skin of my teeth (#119). Looking forward to seeing all again.Joe Bender-ZanoniGreat Notch, NJ----- Or iginal Message -----From: oroboyz@aol.comDate: Sunday, May 21,
   2006 1:35 pmSubject: Was: mystery bike, now early Lambert.. .To: joebz@optonline.net, bhufford3@mchsi.comCc: Classic rendezvous@bikelist.org> << It may a Ron Kitchings or early Ro n Kit built Lambert. I > think the > dro> pouts, top eyes, l ugs and braze-ons are right. The early bikes wit> h a threaded BB ar e uncommon. The fork replacement is a hint pointing> toward Lambert.
   Looks like it was built up with whatever parts > were ar> ound incl uding some gems from our persepective today.Joe Bender-Zanoni> Great
   Notch, NJ>>> > Very good, Joe! That all makes sense to me.
> > That is the first time I heard of Ron Kitching building the > first > Lamberts. I always understood it was a London area maker, a > Viking > plant? Hadn't heard they came from up north...
   Maybe one of our > UK guys > has more info?> > Dale Brown> Greensboro, NC USA> > > -----Original Message-----> From: jo ebz@optonline.net> To: bhufford3@mchsi.com> Cc: Classicr endezvous@bikelist.org> Sent: Sun, 21 May 2006 17:02:03 +0 000 (GMT)> Subject: Re: [CR]Mystery Bike Pedals (well, to me
   anyway)> > It may a Ron Kitchings or early Ron Kit built Lambert.
   I think > the dro> pouts, top eyes, lugs and braze-ons are righ t. The early bikes wit> h a threaded BB are uncommon. The fork rep lacement is a hint pointing> toward Lambert. Looks like it was built
   up with whatever parts > were ar> ound including some gems from our
   persepective today.Joe Bender-Zanoni> Great Notch, NJ----- Origin al Message -----From: bhufford3@mchsi.> comDate: Sunday, May
   21, 2006 12:31 pmSubject: Re: [CR]M> ystery Bike Pedals ( well, to me anyway)To: Classicrendezvous@bikel> ist.org> >
   I picked up a mystery bike at a local swap this weekend> and > I' m trying to> > identify parts. (I'll try to get pi> cs of the
   re-paint frame, > etc. > > tomorrow with better ligh> t)>
   > Here are pics of the rest of the bike. Not much to look at,>
   but > maybe you can > help in figuring out what the frame might be.
> > > http://home.mchsi.com/~shufford/bike.html> > T he b> ike comes in at about 23.5 pounds on the bathroom beam > sca le > (I co> uldn't > locate my hanging scale), minus the saddl e. The seattu> be ID > seems to be about > 26.6 mm with the b est of my measuring> (the 26.0 post was shimmed > at the top > w ith a 1" long shim)).> The top tube OD is 26.0 mm. The down
> tube is 29.1 mm > (?> ?). The seat tube is 28.6 at th e base but 29.1 at the top > (> flared by an > over agressive se atpost insertion at some point?).> I thought if > the frame was
> French that it would have a 26.0 t> op tube and 28.0 mm seat a nd > down tubes > typically. I didn'> t get a photo of if, but there is a pentagon > shaped shifter > cl> amp stop on the bot tom of the down tube.> > No markings that I can> find. The fr ame appears to have been > powder coated, > but I'> m really n ot sure how to tell.> > Thanks for any other help you ca> n offe r.> > Bob Hufford> Springfield, MO> ______> _