[CR]Re: Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 41, Issue 112


Example: Production Builders:Cinelli

Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 07:31:23 -0400
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not all 'stainless' is, my 1947? Raleigh Lenton Clubman retains it's origina l front wheel which has 'stainless' spokes only some have 'rusted' a bit,the y are all the same and have an R on each head ,and are all very slightly mag netic ,but ARE stainless..steve chambers chesterfield england

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Pardon but about Pergo's Masi - SHHHH!-IT AINT HIS! (Mike Schmidt) 2. Re: Yet more on HURET drop out adjustors (Chuck Schmidt) 3. Re: When did stainless spokes appear? (Jan Heine) 4. Re: Panasonic Ti - was: Forwarded query from Larry Black. (Eric Elman) 5. Re: Pardon but about Pergo's Masi - SHHHH!-IT AINT HIS! 6. Re: first stainless spokes (Jan Heine) 7. Cirque (Kendra Coatney) 8. re: When did stainless spokes appear? (Harvey M Sachs) 9. 27" wheels for sale (Harvey M Sachs) 10. Wanted: Campy SR rear derailleur (Harvey M Sachs) 11. Looking for Transfers for a Don Farrell Track Bike (Sheldon Family) 12. Whitcomb info. (nelson miller) 13. Re: Looking for Transfers for a Don Farrell Track Bike (Dan Kehew) 14. E-bay outing- if only it were my size. 15. WTT: super champ 36o tubs for clinchers (movin to nyc!) (dan polito) 16. Stronglight BB Spindle Taper ? (r cielec) 17. RE: Re: Gillott with 1 1/8th in top tube (Mark Bulgier) 18. Stainless steel spokes

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Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 18:05:50 -0400 From: "Mike Schmidt" <mdschmidt@patmedia.net> To: <LouDeeter@aol.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]Pardon but about Pergo's Masi - SHHHH!-IT AINT HIS! Message-ID: <007001c6836c$0c2fbe80$86fc9518@vaio> References: <249.b278ce4.31acc862@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1

That Masi on EBAY does not belong to Pergolizzi. We were having a laugh about that at Turn 3 while watching the tour de Somerville.

Mike Schmidt
Stirling, NJ


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Subject: [CR]Adjusting dropout screws to the limit--Example



>
> jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net writes:
>
> If someone were obsessive about constantly adjusting the stops, he would
> eventually wind up with the wheel at the front of the DOs.
>
>
>
>
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> _http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Masi-Gran-Criterium-Calif-Campagnolo-Cinelli_W0 QQ
> itemZ7245044873QQcategoryZ98084QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem_
> (http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Masi-Gran-Criterium-Calif-Campagnolo-Cinelli_W0 QQitemZ7245044873QQcategory
> Z98084QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
>
>
> This Masi, see above ebay link, (I had to work Masi into this discussion)
> belongs to Gianni Pergolizzi. Looking at adjustor screw and the rear axle, I
> can conclude that 1) if the Campagnolo dropout is similar then adjusting
> forward to the limit will not result with the wheel in front of the DO and 2) that
> Gianni is obsessive. Lou Deeter, Orlando FL
>
>

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Jerome & Elizabeth Moos wrote:
> Unless I have the Campys installed backward as well, the Campy
> screw head is inside the DO, and can only be turned with a
> screwdriver after removing the wheel. The back end of the screw,
> outside the DO, has a domed cap threaded onto it. It's true, you
> can turn the cap to adjust the screw, but ONLY if you wish the move
> the wheel axle FORWARD on that side. If you turn the cap the other
> way it will thread off the screw rather than moving the screw
> backward.
>
> So the method you propose works only if you always adjust the stops
> by moving one side forward. If someone were obsessive about
> constantly adjusting the stops, he would eventually wind up with
> the wheel at the front of the DOs. Besides, there are times when
> one may need to move the stops backward, such as when changing the
> size of FW or chainring.
>
> All details aside, a design which places a screw head such that one
> must remove a component to access it is less logical than a design
> that actually makes a screw head accessible to a screwdriver. The
> only reason to think otherwise if is if one has a "Campy is always
> right" mindset. I must confess I've myself been a bit infected
> with this mindset, as I initially installed the Huret adjustors in
> the incorrect and illogical manner for no other reason than that
> that was how Campy did it.

The knurled cap works as intended (turning the screw in both directions) when the cap is attached to the screw as intended... which would be tight. I have many bikes with these knurled cap adjustor screws and have NEVER had one unscrew. Conclusion: you failed to install yours correctly?

You write, "The only reason to think otherwise if is if one has a "Campy is always right" mindset." While it is true that I think otherwise than you, it would not be because I have a "Campy is always right" mindset. I simply judge things on their own merit. If they work as intended they are good. When someone designs something that you can adjust without the use of tool, in my world this is good.

Chuck Schmidt South Pasadena, Southern California

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Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 15:09:44 -0700 From: Jan Heine <heine93@earthlink.net> To: "Tom Sanders" <tsan7759142@sbcglobal.net>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]When did stainless spokes appear? Message-ID: <a05210624c0a120691151@[192.168.1.33]> In-Reply-To: <003201c68368$c439af30$3f4cff44@ts> References: <003201c68368$c439af30$3f4cff44@ts> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 3

Tom,

Robergel Trois Etoiles "rigoreusement inoxydables" spokes were advertised as early as February 1939 in that month's Le Cycliste. They were described as "new" then.

The whole-page ad proclaims: "Guaranteed for 10 years, and even longer, they will not rust." They even say they'll give you a free spokes, which you can put in your garden, dump in the ocean, file it to remove any surface finish, and see for yourself!

Certainly, by 1968, stainless spokes were available. Stella is another brand that comes to mind.

Jan Heine Editor/Publisher Vintage Bicycle Quarterly c/o Il Vecchio Bicycles 140 Lakeside Ave, Ste. C Seattle WA 98122 http://www.vintagebicyclepress.com

At 5:42 PM -0400 5/29/06, Tom Sanders wrote:
>I just got a lovely set of 27" wheels (from a very nice CR Lister) that hav e
>stainless spokes. They are dated '68. Were stainless spokes used that
>early?
>Tom Sanders
>Lansing, Mi
>
>

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Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 18:30:43 -0400 From: "Eric Elman" <tr4play@cox.net> To: <oroboyz@aol.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]Panasonic Ti - was: Forwarded query from Larry Black. Message-ID: <000501c6836f$85c66ca0$6d35c048@ownerejujeippx> References: <20060529195509.KFWX24467.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@smtp.ntlworld. com> <8C8517FAAEF0515-CD8-D9B@FWM-D33.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain;format=flowed;charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4

Larry/Dale,

If I recall correctly, Jamie Swan was up at Copake this spring with an early

Ti Panasonic of which he removed the clear and polished the frame. It looked nice. I have no idea how he went about it but hopefully this lead will point you in a productive direction.

Eric Elman back home after being away for the Menorial Day Holiday Somers, CT USA


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> << From: "larry black" <bikelarry@gmail.com>
>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 16:38:44 -0400
>
> Subject: polishing non steel metals?
>
> I have a very old Titanium frame from Japan, late 70's, Panasonic.
>
> While I'm usually a love-em-and leave-em-alone sort, I want to apply some
> original style decals I have and then either clear or leave it.
>
> There's old clear on there that I would like to remove and then polish the
> frame. Home grown or professional here?
>
> Anyone in screenshot do this or know anyone that does?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> --
> Larry Black
> Mt Airy Md. >>
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>
>
> Dale Brown
> Greensboro, NC USA

To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Stronglight BB Spindle Taper ? Message-ID: <20060530032553.63508.qmail@web52008.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 16

Ahoy !

Re: OEM installation - Stronglight BB & Type 93 Crank; 1974 Raleigh Super Course Mk II

Normally, I would have assumed the spindle taper was common and appropriat e for just about every crank under the sun with exception, perhaps of JIS. Yet, every time I poke this Stronglight bb it makes unique noises, not lik e any other bb I've serviced. (This is my first Stronglight). So, as a precaut ion, I am investigating the spindle taper.

Is there anything special about the Stronglight spindle taper requiring Stronglight-only cranks or, can an array of cranks fit the spindle - Campag,

Ofmega, TA, Raleigh badged SR, Gipemme, Zeus, etc.?? (Well maybe not Zeus; t hat could be bizarre, too.). The other side of the coin is how to redploy the Stronglight 93 crank - one will have to know the spindle requirements.

Be nice if one of the tool companies made a set of GO/NOGO gauges for spin dle taper.

Thank you.

Richard Cielec Chicago, Illinois; U.S.A.

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Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 22:09:23 -0700 From: "Mark Bulgier" <Mark@bulgier.net> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: RE: [CR]Re: Gillott with 1 1/8th in top tube Message-ID: <9327C3B25BD3C34A8DBC26145D88A90702CF70@hippy.home.here> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 17

Toni Theilmeier wrote:
> My Gillott Fleur de Lys has an OS top tube. It´s 1954
> and rides like a dream. Pics on
> http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/toni, then look for the Gillott.

In case anyone had trouble finding those pix, start with http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/2004-12-22/Gillott_1 and go on to the next four after that one ("Next" button)

Mark Bulgier Seattle WA USA

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Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 9:37:22 +0100 From: <greenjersey@ntlworld.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Stainless steel spokes Message-ID: <20060530083722.ARE16086.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@smtp.nt lworld.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 18

My mum used to cruise about on a Raleigh roadster that had stainless steel r ims and spokes. I would guess that it was made in the fifties or early sixties. Ray Green, Brighton, England

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