[CR]RE: Paint removal

(Example: Racing:Wayne Stetina)

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From: "II LONG" <r4959l@msn.com>
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:47:30 +0000
Subject: [CR]RE: Paint removal

Rodney, Thank you for your reply. Your suggestions were in line with my thoughts on the matter. However, I have been advised by a very trusted professional painter to not muck about and leave removal to the painter who not only considers it part of the job, but provides him with information as well, for the paint application.

Sincerely, Richard Long Temecula, CA USA


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> 1. CR List Received Mail - Technical Question (r cielec)
> 2. Re: FA- 3Rensho 58cm f+f, and Austro Daimler Superleicht 57cm in
> smoked chrome
> 3. Paint removal (II LONG)
> 4. Re: Weinmann 605 side pulls (Dr. Paul Williams)
> 5. Paint Removal (Rodney Handsfield)
> 6. ASC to freewheel converter (Toni Theilmeier)
> 7. Weinmann 605 Side Pulls - Information Please (Jay Sexton)
> 8. Re: ASC to freewheel converter (Hilary Stone)
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>Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:25:39 -0700 (PDT)
>From: r cielec <teaat4p@yahoo.com>
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: [CR]CR List Received Mail - Technical Question
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>Ahoy !
>
> Does anyone have an explanation why some CR List mail is being diverted
>to the Bulk Mail folder? Even my own postings are being diverted. I have
>not changed any settings. On this end - Yahoo mail and Spam Filter On -
>this has been standard practice for me and all has been fine until today
>and several days since (an occassional exception over the years, of
>course).
>
> If there is a technical problem then, I'll need to find a work-around.
>
> Feel free to reply Off List but, please, indicate as such.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard Cielec
> Chicago, Illinois; U.S.A.
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>Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 11:29:54 EDT
>From: FujiFish1@aol.com
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: [CR]Re: FA- 3Rensho 58cm f+f, and Austro Daimler Superleicht 57cm
>in
> smoked chrome
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>Dan,
> One of my local Tuesday and Sunday riding buddies happens to have a
>3Rensho frameset on Ebay right now. Somewhat bad timing that it ends
>tonight, on
>Cirque weekend, but it seems to be garnering a bit of interest. This is
>the
>Katana model, in blue, 58cm.
>
><http://ebay.com/<blah>
>7246880177QQihZ015QQcategoryZ98084QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem>
>
>Or, search Ebay item number 7246880177. I seem to recall that one pair of
>stay attachments to the dropouts is a plug style, and the other pair a
>standard
>attachment, but you'd have to email him about that to be sure.
>
>
> He also has listed a beautiful smoked chrome Austro Daimler Superleicht
>frameset, 57cm c-c. This frame finish is in better condition than the one
>I
>sold here some time ago; as mine had seen more exposure. Yes, this is a
>Superleight, not a Vent Noir. The photos not only don't do the bike
>justice, they
>downright make it seem worse. It looks much better in person. Although it
>has a
>bunch of watchers, it doesn't have a lot of bids yet.
>
><http://ebay.com/<blah>
>itemZ7246888014QQihZ015QQcategoryZ98084QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem>
>
>Or search Ebay item number 7246888014.
>
>
> Mark is a very nice guy, and is one of those that tries to give more than
>he
>takes. In other words, I strongly recommend the safety of doing business
>with him. I am related to the auction in that, it is that of a close
>friend.
>
>Ciao,
>Mark Agree
>Southfield MI USA
>~ ~ ~
>
>
>Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 16:48:33 -0400
>From: "dan polito" <thepandle@hotmail.com>
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: [CR]WTB- 3Rensho 58-60cm f+f or complete
>
>all-
>one more post for the day. i am looking for a 3rensho road frame, or
>complete bike. i'm not looking for a show piece, it will get ridden
>everyday through the hills of indiana. i had the opportunity to ride a
>late
>80s, and loved it a while back i have heard only wonderful things about
>all
>years of their bikes. 58-60cm, a 57 might work, depending on the TT and
>some other dimensions.
>
>i can trade track bikes and bits, or will pay.
>
>please reply off-list
>thanks very much
>dan polito
>bloomington, in
>
>
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>Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 16:32:23 +0000
>From: "II LONG" <r4959l@msn.com>
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: [CR]Paint removal
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>I'm getting ready for the painter and am concerned if I should remove the
>original paint (trashed) with chemical remover before sending it to his
>sand
>blaster. I worry about sand blasting these old Vitus 888 tubes too much
>and
>would prefer to massage them a little if necessary. The paint layer
>appears
>to be quite thin at this point. Any suggestions for procedure? Flame away.
>
>rlong
>
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>Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 13:16:03 -0400
>From: "Dr. Paul Williams" <castell5@sympatico.ca>
>To: "r cielec" <teaat4p@yahoo.com>
>Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: [CR]Weinmann 605 side pulls
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>Hi Richard,
>
>I used 605s on my only bike (at the time) for over 20 years (the rest of
>the
>bike was an eclectic mix of Campy and Shimano DA parts). They served me
>perfectly well - with SM pads. More recently the bike had a complete Campy
>makeover so the 605 brakeset is now in the parts drawer.
>
>The date code on the back of the 605s suggest that they are July 1980 which
>would fit nicely with when they were set-up for me.
>
>They are not all that bad looking - but not as elegant as NR mainly due to
>the plastic covers on the quick-release lever, over the QR bolt, and on the
>centre bolt - not to mention the barrel adjustors.
>
>I never got the right tool for adjusting them properly so was always
>fighting to get them properly centered.
>
>Hope this helps.
>
>Paul.
>
>Paul Williams,
>Ottawa, ON, Canada
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "r cielec" <teaat4p@yahoo.com>
>To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 11:17 AM
>Subject: RE: [CR]Weinmann 605 side pulls
>
>
> > HI, Ken, Others -
> >
> > May I request further comment, please? It would be helpful. Time frame
> > would be useful research tool for me as I could try getting the
>chronology
> > straight.
> >
> > A Lister Wrote: 605 is not a bad sidepull brake, but not as good as
>some
> > others of the day.
> >
> > What others and what "of the day" ?
> > I assume 1970's. Early/Late?
> > Campag NR/SR
> > Shimano 600 BR6207s
> > ????
> >
> > Thank you
> >
> > Richard Cielec
> > Chicago, Illinois; U.S.A.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Ken Freeeman <freesound@comcast.net> wrote:
> > Dear Rich, Bob, and the List,
> >
> > I'm playing with a Trek 600 series owned by a friend (might buy it) and
>it
> > has these brake calipers, but not the levers. I don't think it came with
> > them. I find they are hard to set up, not much better than my foggy
> > recollection of my old 500s back in the '70s. Compared to Campy NR and
> > Shimano 600 BR6207s, these Weinmanns don't like to stay where you set
> > them.
> > They change their set position, with the result that I leave the pad
> > clearance wide to prevent dragging rather than to get my favorite lever
> > pull. The arm length is as Bob says, at least it fits the Trek, enabling
> > the conversion from 27 inch wheels to 700C wheels.
> >
> > Braking effectiveness is acceptable on the road with low-cost pads, not
>as
> > good as the BR6207s with Shimano pads, and nowhere near as good as my
> > Campy
> > NRs with NOS pads (note I do not agree with the Campy-bashers!). In some
> > fairness, my Shimano setup has very rigid Modolo cablesets, and the NR
> > setups have also very rigid Campy NOS cablesets, while my buddy's Trek
>has
> > "whatever" cables in fair condition.
> >
> > In my experience with cables, you have to have them set up very well in
> > order to evaluate caliper sets.
> >
> > In summary, the 605 is not a bad sidepull brake, but not as good as some
> > others of the day.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org
> > [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of Bob Hanson
> > Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 3:44 AM
> > To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > Subject: [CR]Weinmann 605 side pulls
> >
> >
> > "... these appear to have been fitted on mid-range bikes. This correct?
> > I assume they are better than the 500's for the calipers are more stout
> > and, so , could be a decent brake. I have calipers only, no levers.
> > Can anyone point me toward possible sources of information?..."
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Richard,
> >
> > I think the 605s were much better than the 500-730-810-etc. family.
> > Many subtle improvements on bushings and washers, etc.
> >
> > I believe they were a very late 1970s release and to my knowledge they
> > were
> > Weinmann's first attempt at a sidepull with a quick release. In this
>case,
> > QR was attached to the left/upper arm - rather than Campy's right/lower
> > arm
> > [= cable anchor bolt + QR] arrangement.
> > The steel QR mechanism is bolted onto the front of the arm and encircles
>a
> > steel sleeve into which the cable adjuster threads. Carrera 400 was
>first
> > to have Campy QR set-up - c.1981(?)
> >
> > The Campy-style "wheel guides" are actually separate chromed steel
>pieces
> > which nest in a recessed slot on the caliper arms behind the actual
>brake
> > pad holder - just like on the Carrera 400 & Carrera 600.
> >
> > One nice feature is the single Delrin double-bushing+washer unit which
>fit
> > between the lever arms and which also passed through the pivot bolt
>holes
> > on
> > each arm -- keeps all the alloy surfaces isolated.
> >
> > The levers I've seen them matched with were knock-offs of Campy Super
> > Record, complete with drilled arms and vertical "WEINMANN" lettering
> > stamped into the fronts.
> >
> > I like them. Seem to hold adjustments better than Campy NR/SR even
>without
> > Campy's toothed washer. As you guessed, they were priced between 500 and
> > Carrera models - which were both being sold concurrent with these, and
> > into
> > the '80s.
> >
> > Range of reach adjustment is 49-60 mm.
> >
> > Weight per pair, with non-recessed (bolt on) pivots = 310gms... not
> > bad! - less than Campy NR!
> >
> >
> > Bob Hanson, Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> >
> >
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>Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 12:17:47 -0500
>From: "Rodney Handsfield" <rhandsfield@cox.net>
>To: <classicrendezvous-request@bikelist.org>,
> <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: [CR]Paint Removal
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>Chemical stripper by all means. Wear some cheap rubber gloves, do it
>outside over a trash can, apply thick and leave it until the paint
>crinkles. Scrape or wipe it off then neutralize with soapy then clear
>water. The nooks and crannies will likely require a second or third
>application and possibly wire brush or steel wool(coarse). The results
>will be great and will eliminate the need for sand or media blasting.
>Rodney Handsfield, Wichita - 22 mi on Dave Moulton Special Professional
>Road in 88% humidity.
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 19:51:34 +0200
>From: Toni Theilmeier <toni.theilmeier@t-online.de>
>To: Mark Bulgier <Mark@bulgier.net>
>Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: [CR]ASC to freewheel converter
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>Dear Mark,
>the wildest part of the issue is that the ratio of an ASC is more or
>less the one of an AM - so the sense of the freewheel converter on an
>ASC escapes me completely, excepting use on bikes with very low b/b
>heights. Perhaps.
>
>What I really think is that the converter is for use on a TF / T hub -
>
>this was the pre-WWII stepped shell two speed that had an external
>freewheel. In my box I´ve got exactly the item shown in the auction
>you
>mention, and it was on a T which I "converted" to a TF by substituting
>
>the freewheel by a simple sprocket. I do hope I remember this
>correctly.
>
>Regards, Toni Theilmeier.
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 11:09:14 -0700
>From: Jay Sexton <jvs@sonic.net>
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: [CR]Weinmann 605 Side Pulls - Information Please
>Message-ID: <448C5C4A.60303@sonic.net>
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>Galen, excellent post and information. Thanks!!
>
>Jay Sexton
>Sebastpol, CA
>
>
>
>Richard,
>
>The Weinmann 605 was one of the mid-range brakes from Weinmann.
>
>Because of my fetish for French bikes and components, and the fact that
>Weinmann brakes were fitted to most of the late 70s and 80s French bikes
>after the collapse of Mafac, I have managed to collect most of the Weinmann
>brakes over the years.
>
>1. The top tier was the Carrera 400, a very high quality, short-reach
>(40-52.5 mm) brake that was sourced with the "Professional" levers, either
>smooth or drilled. These were very much like other Campagnolo-clone brakes.
>I seem to remember that someone one this list claimed that these were made
>by Dia Compe. I have a NIB pair with levers, and unlike many other Weinmann
>brakes, these do not have a stamping or forging indicating manufacture in
>West Germany or Switzerland.
>
>2. The Carrera 600 was a longer reach brake (46-60 mm) that was not quite
>as
>well finished as the 400, and had typical Weinmann fittings for the cap,
>adjusting screw, and quick release. I have a pair of these on my wife's
>Nishiki Pro, and don't feel like taking them off to see where they were
>made, but I seem to recall that they were European manufacture. They were
>also usually sold new with the Professional levers.
>
>3. The 405 and 605 were the next tier, and differed in reach--only 42-46 mm
>for the 405, and 53-60 mm for the 605. They were not as neatly finished as
>the two series above, but the 405 especially was a very well made and
>effective brake. I again have a pair NIB that is fitted with the
>Professional levers, but I think that they were also sourced with the
>"Racing" levers. I used to have a mid-range Peugeot (?PSN10?) that had a
>pair of these. I never raced with them, but when I lived in North Carolina
>I spent a lot of time up and down the mountains, and don't recall any
>problems scrubbing off speed. They just weren't as "pretty" as the higher
>end brakes. The 605 brakes that I have aren't even as nicely finished as
>the 405s, but they come from different eras.
>
>4. The 500/506/610/730 were all very similar, differing only in reach. They
>looked cheap, and were quite inexpensive. No attempt was made to smooth or
>polish the caliper arms, and since they did not have a quick release
>mechanism, they came with the "Special" levers with the little flip-up
>quick
>release tab. They were usually seen on the lower tier models from most of
>the French makers.
>
>My sources come from personal use, and from a collection of Weinmann brakes
>and catalogs from the 70s and 80s. When I lived in Urbana/Champaign,
>Weinmann's US headquarters was down the road in Olney Illinois (as were
>Simplex). They actually put up with my visits, and were generous enough to
>sell me items from stock if I posed as a distributor purchasing samples. I
>was at one time offered a huge stock of parts and complete items, but
>didn't
>have the resources or the warehouse to keep them.
>
>Galen Poole
>Still missing the wide variety of components we used to have, Jackson MS
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 19:23:24 +0100
>From: Hilary Stone <hilary.stone@blueyonder.co.uk>
>To: Toni Theilmeier <toni.theilmeier@t-online.de>,
> Mark Bulgier <Mark@bulgier.net>
>Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: [CR]ASC to freewheel converter
>Message-ID: <C0B21E2B.5B448%hilary.stone@blueyonder.co.uk>
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>Toni has hit tnhe nail on the head - these freewheels were designed for use
>with the T series of 2-speed fixed hubs and were not made post WWII.
>
>Hilary Stone, Bristol, England
>
> > From: Toni Theilmeier <toni.theilmeier@t-online.de>
> > Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 19:51:34 +0200
> > To: Mark Bulgier <Mark@bulgier.net>
> > Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > Subject: [CR]ASC to freewheel converter
> >
> > Dear Mark,
> > the wildest part of the issue is that the ratio of an ASC is more or
> > less the one of an AM - so the sense of the freewheel converter on an
> > ASC escapes me completely, excepting use on bikes with very low b/b
> > heights. Perhaps.
> >
> > What I really think is that the converter is for use on a TF / T hub -
> >
> > this was the pre-WWII stepped shell two speed that had an external
> > freewheel. In my box I´ve got exactly the item shown in the auction
> > you
> > mention, and it was on a T which I "converted" to a TF by substituting
> >
> > the freewheel by a simple sprocket. I do hope I remember this
> > correctly.
> >
> > Regards, Toni Theilmeier.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
>
>
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>
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>
>
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