Whoops, Sorry, somehow forgot to type in 1967 in previous post, re: Sheldon's 144/151 timeline. But I'm sure you all picked up on my omission Doesn't changed the facts. Ted Ernst Palos Verdes Estates, Ca
<CaptBike@sheldonbrown.com> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [CR]Chain widths...
>I don't like to disagree too greatly with my colleague experts
> However, if I read Sheldon correctly he suggests that before Campy Road
> was 144 and not 151. Jump on me if I'm wrong.
> Well: In 1966 I was the coach and manager of the American World's team in
> Germany. Track at the Frankfurt Velodrome, Road on the Nuerburg Grand Prix
> course.
> The Campagnolo Tech Support was most generous and provided for FREE all of
> our team members' bicycles with the NEW, JUST OUT 144 bolt pattern
> cranksets, 42x54 chainring and NEW FRONT AND REAR DERAILLEURS!!.
> The Campy Boys put them on and adjusted the complete bikes.
> It helps to have friends in high places.
> My PERSONAL RICKERT road bike that I brought back after racing in Europe
> had 151 cranks, it was a '59 vintage and I used that set up until I
> retired the bike in the early '80's
> Chuck's timeline is not quite correct either, he says '68, I believe or
> '67 but I know what I know, been there,done that, rode that, and brought
> back brand new samples IN THE BOX that our club South Bay Wheelmen showed
> at our annual awards banquet in the fall of 1966 with the 144 new bolt
> pattern.
> I'm still riding my 151 and block chain on my old Rickert track machine.
> Any other Q's?
> Ted Ernst
> Palos Verdes Estates, Ca
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sheldon Brown" <CaptBike@sheldonbrown.com>
> To: <john@os2.dhs.org>; <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 5:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [CR]Chain widths...
>
>
>> John Thompson wrote:
>>>
>>> >> Then I looked in my 60s vintage
>>>>> Zeus catalog and found -- sure enough -- that Zeus offered PISTA
>>>>> rings
>>>>> for both 1/8" and 3/32" chains way back then!
>>> >> How the PISTA ring ended up on a double crank is still a mystery,
>>> though.
>>>
>>> > Commonly used for pursuits.
>>>
>>>Ok. But what then is the difference between a road ring and a pista ring
>>> when both are intended to use 3/32" chain? Why not just use regular
>>>road rings for both road and pursuit purposes? That would help inventory
>>>issues if nothing else.
>>
>> Are you sure they're the same BCD? Up until about 1967, Campagnolo used
>> the 151 mm BCD for track stuff, 144 mm for road...Zeus stuff was
>> generally the "poor man's Campagnolo" using similar designs and specs...
>>
>> Sheldon "Not A Zeus Fan" Brown
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