Re: [CR] More of Was: DeRosa for sale... Now: Sappy superlatives bring out brouhaha.

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Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 16:28:48 -0700
Subject: Re: [CR] More of Was: DeRosa for sale... Now: Sappy superlatives bring out brouhaha.
From: "Perry Lopez" <plopes@adelphia.net>
To: wilc <cherrycycle1@yahoo.co.uk>, <oroboyz@aol.com>
In-Reply-To: <20060704232211.18971.qmail@web26412.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

Hi All,

I have to agree with Willie on this one as well.

Zerran Sierra Madre, CA 100 degrees and very dry

On 7/4/06 4:22 PM, "wilc" <cherrycycle1@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> DALE ,HI , going to add my two pennies worth, what is really so wrong
> here???, surely a guy can describe his property in whatever way he so desires
> using whatever workspeak way he thinks will add to his sale AS LONG AS ITS
> ACCURATE, ....
> .you don't like it, so look past it
> . come on guys, De Rosa in whatever clothes is still a soul machine and KOF
> cut the guy some slack... ?
> willie carton ,coleraine northern ireland... where its now 22 deg and sultry.
>
> oroboyz@aol.com wrote: Hi ho Frank:
>
> Great point, I agree perhaps I was a bit over-enthusiastic in my Magni
> sale description! However, I will defend what I said as being accurate,
> if some what wordy. But I agree that wordiness that be a bit obnoxious
> too! Ha!
>
> To get technical with your sale description;
>
> You said "truly unique" and that is conjecture on your part. While you
> may have never seen another of that description, you could have more
> accurately said; "I haven't seen another like it", rather that flatly
> stating it was "truly unique".
>
> In addition, you wrote "...fully lugged with the famous and revered
> DeRosa lugs." Revered? OK... but a bit hyperbolic, IMO.
>
> All of this should not be taken too seriously, except that sellers
> should not be surprised if readers get a bit peevish when we hammer the
> advertising with too heavy blows! I certainly will be more careful with
> my writing! I hope you will too.
>
> Cheers,
> Dale
>
>
> Dale Brown
> Greensboro, NC USA
> http://www.classicrendezvous.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Retrofan531
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Sent: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 17:16:03 -0500
> Subject: [CR]RE: FS: 54cm DeRosa Super Prestige frame and fork
>
> SNIPPED: 2. Frank does distinctly engage in hyperbole in his For Sale
> notice, the forced superlatives of which might be appropriate for the
> less
> sophisticated Ebay customer, but are a bit hard to take here on the
> CR-list.
> Maybe a bit less hype would encourage fewer retorts? :)
>
> Dale Brown
> Greensboro, NC USA
> http://www.classicrendezvous.com
> ================
> Dale,
>
> While this is your list and I am but a free-loading guest, I would
> attempt
> to have this same discussion if we were face-to-face.
>
> You state that I "distinctly engage in hyperbole in his For Sale
> notice, the
> forced superlatives of which might be appropriate for the less
> sophisticated
> Ebay customer, but are a bit hard to take here on the CR-list. Maybe a
> bit
> less hype would encourage fewer retorts? :)"
>
> I stated in the listing "What an opportunity to own a truly unique
> frameset!". As stated earlier, I have never in my many years of bike
> interest seen a DeRosa Super Prestige painted in this exact color
> scheme,
> and evidently neither has my more esteemed fellow list member Lou Deeter
> (who by the way used to have a red white and blue Spectrum he rode on
> the
> 4th of July).
>
> Dale, perhaps you could do me a favor and point out to me what portion
> of
> this for sale listing is hyperbole, which is defined as "an extravagant
> exaggeration used as a figure of speech." Is this the sentence, "What an
> opportunity to own a truly unique frameset!", that you refer to as the
> "hyperbole"? If so, where is the extravagant exaggeration in that
> statement?
>
> I dare say there is less salesmanship in my listing than in your very
> own
> recent for sale listing for a Magni-Ferrari where you claimed "This is a
> very desirable, infrequently seen, top model from Switzerland in
> splendid,
> verging on showroom condition. Workmanship, dare I say, superior to
> many if
> not most marques discussed here on the CR? Please look at the photos.
> With a
> little spit & polish, this could be a Concours winner as well."
>
> I am not criticizing your choice of words for your for sale posting, as
> I be
> lieve it is through our descriptions of our bikes that the passion we
> have
> for these older lugged bikes shows so strongly, but perhaps "hyperbole"
> is
> in the eye of the beholder.
>
> While I am on this topic, let me say that Maaslands's comment seemed to
> me
> to serve no positive purpose. If he had a question as to what I saw in
> this
> DeRosa that made it unique, he could have sent me an e-mail rather than
> just
> posting a snippy note to the list. Or, he could have at least copied me
> on
> the note asking for me to provide my rationale, but he didn't do that
> either. Absent that, I replied on-list and now you replied on-list and
> now I
> am replying on-list, all probably to the benefit of nobody. Maybe we
> can all
> agree that if we have a question about someone's choice of words, we
> could
> contact them privately for an explanation.
>
> Frank Phillips
> McAlester, OK
>
>
>
>
>
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