Hi all,
A very helpful non-listmember has identified the frameset as a 1930's Ellis Champion. I havent' heard of the brand before. Does anyone have links to photos of an Ellis Champion on the web by any chance?
Tam Pham Huntington Beach, CA
On 7/6/06, NIGEL LAND <ndland@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> Tam, that is a seriously nice frame. Can't see from the pics but I guess
> neither fork crown nor rear bridge are drilled? Also no mudguard eyes so
> pure track rather than road/path. The clip type headset was still in use
> into the early 50s, but is a good indicator of prewar. I have a 1936 BSA
> catalogue and lugs are sort of similar to the Golden Vase road bike. There
> is no track frame listed and the two part head lugs are different to
> anything else in the catalogue. I am no expert on BSA, nor on prewar track
> irons and hope someone out there is. However, BSA made a lot of fittings
> and
> their bottom brackets were sold by Brown Bros for use by frame builders.
> So
> there is a good chance it is not a BSA and that opens a huge can of
> worms..Norris???
> Good find,
>
> Nigel Land
> Barton on Humber
> UK
>
>
> Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 14:23:24 -0700
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> I seem to have a thing for certain British brands. With cars it was
> Triumph
> and now with bikes it's BSA. Anyways, I recently picked up another old BSA
> frameset that seems to be very well constructed (particularly with regards
> to the thinned lugs) and could use some help in dating it. Unfortunately,
> a
> prior owner refinished the frameset with a poor rattle-can paintjob and
> the
> original markings are no longer known.
>
> The serial number stamped on the seat tube looks like it's 2101, and some
> photos can be seen here:
>
> http://www.chainedrevolution.com/
>
> Thanks in advance for any comments offered,
> Tam Pham
> Huntington Beach, CA