[CR]Campagnolo no-stamp brakes detail

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From: "c. andrews" <chasds@mindspring.com>
To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 18:28:16 -0700
Subject: [CR]Campagnolo no-stamp brakes detail

Ken Toda wrote:
>
> Also, isn't it possible to buff off letters on the caliper and re-anodize for
> 900.00
> price tag?? See monting bolt "BREV" vs. "PATENT" CAMPAGNOLO, which one is
> older. I thoght the "PATENT" one is older??????
>
> Regards to all.
>
> KEN TODA, High Point, NC

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there are rumors that someone here in socal, who shall remain nameless, was toying with trying to produce fake no-stamp brakes, but, as far as I ever heard, the project never came to fruition..if that's the word to use..

And it is impossible to make an acceptable fake without the original run of bolts, as has been pointed out previously, so the whole thing is/was a little silly ... of course it's totally unethical too, but I assumed we all understood that..<g>

Ken mentioned the *Patent* and *Brev.* thing. This confused me for quite awhile until I realized that some parts had the *Patent* stamp early on, and some had the *Brev.* stamp early on.

Someone should make a little list, noting which parts had what stamp in what chronology.

As for the brake bolts, the early bolts, up through 1973 or so, are stamped *Brev. Camp.* or similar. Later brake bolts are stamped *Patent* or similar. This is one of those tiny details that can derail an otherwise decent restoration...putting *Patent* stamped bolts on an early 70s frame is a give-away that the brakes are not original to the frame (if the idea is to create a bike as-assembled at the factory)...

If I have this wrong, someone correct me please. But I just checked three bikes I have that I know for a fact were factory-assembled (or, at worst, assembled by a bike shop from a frame at the time the frame was made), and all three conform to the scheme above.

Charles "way too concerned about this stuff for anyone's good, especially my own--because I've been meaning to replace the *patent* brakes on my 1970 Pogliaghi for a year now, they bug me every time I look at it/them" Andrews SoCal

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