Re: [CR]753 fork blades

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From: <"brianbaylis@juno.com">
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 05:30:28 GMT
To: tom_s_dalton@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [CR]753 fork blades
cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

Tom,

Regarding the steerer for the 753 tubeset. I was Reynolds 531 (in

otherwords not heat treated), but it was a "straight gauge" steerer,

as in not butted and therefore thicker at the bottom. The result is

obviously a lighter steerer that wan not butted. Silver brazing

deffinitely reccommended.

There are most deffinitely 753 fork blades. And as Tom says, preraked.

The reason it was reccommended not to chrome 753 were two reasons;

first, heat from the polishing operation before chroming was

considered undesireable by Reynolds. Also, too much metal removal in

the same process was a potential problem as well. Like most any other

tubing, the reasons the material was to be handled in cetain ways was

to help insure longevity and non-failier of the material, for obvious

reasons. Columbus SL has always carried a specified weight limit of

the potential rider of a given frame to be about 70 kgs, as I recall.

I came out to about 154 lbs. Not that many manufacturers adheared to

that; how could they, other than limiting the frame sizes built with

each gauge of tubing. Custom builders have been (or should be)

carefully selecting tubing for each specific project, one tube at a

time.

Anyway, there are lots of ins and outs of all the types of tubing.

Much of what circulates as "facts and whatnot" amongst the general

public is rubbish. Although material is important to some degree; you

can trust me when I say that how the frame is built is more

important. The kicker there, contrary to what most framebuilders and

people in "the business" say, is that building a "good" frame is

extremely easy to do. What goes on inside most of what we all

consider "the cream of the crop" and "world class" vintage steel

frames from the classic era are far from perfect from a technical

sense. Poor mitering, really poor penitration, and numerous

other "major sins" in framebuilding are present aplenty in almost

every one of our revered classics. But they hold together, they ride

fine, and they will continue to do so for several more generations

most likely. So why build a bike to extreme precision and obcess over

every tiny detail if robots can build nearly perfect bikes? This

whole thing has captured my attention for quite a while now. I think

I'm getting close to putting it all in some sort of perspective that

has relevance and makes sense (oh no, PLEASE not that!!). Soon it may

be time to reveal that the Emperor has no clothes. Yikes!

Brian Baylis
La Mesa, CA


-- Tom Dalton wrote:


Where did this notion of the non-existance of 753 blades come from?

One listmember recently noted that his frame included a fork decal

marked "753 fork blades" or some such. Wouldn't such a sticker be a

little odd of no such blade existed?

As I recall a lot of fuss was made about the special 753 frok

blades, because they were only available pre-raked from Reynolds.

Only certain offsets were available. My understanding was that the

blades were raked, then heat treated, and couldn't be altered after

that. This was one of the more oft-noted tidbits regarding 753. And

yes, the steerers were all 531, as noted earlier.

Other 753 tidits that were widely discussed in the day:

You can't chrome it (though it can actually be chromed w/o problem

according to folks who would know).

"Silver solder only" though this assertion has been questioned on

this list, as has the relevance of the term "silver solder"

It can't be cold set (either after brazing or crash damage). I

assume this is more or less true, but I'm not a frame builder, not

even close.

You need to pass "the 753 test." This, I assume, arose from the

previous two issues. That is, bad brazing (overheating) was a

bigger issue because of the heat treatment, and bad alignment could

not be corrected by cold setting. Also, it was said that the

tolerances on the joints needed to be tight b/s silver doesn't fill

big gaps.

Pretty much just barfing up what I recall about 753 here, but for

ceratin there was much talk about the special blades. Man, that 753

stuff was the most ultra-super-de-duper exotic tubing at one time.

Tom Dalton Bethlehem, PA, USA

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