Hello lists: A friend informed that he has a bicycle of French the Thompson mark, probable manufacture in 1949 and wants to make the restoration in bike, therefore he does not have more painting of plant. I need information and photos that can directly be sent for my email. In case that they can help me, I am very grateful. Kind Regards Marcelo Afornali Curitiba - Paraná - Brazil http://www.bicicletasantigas.com.br
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> 1. Ebay '70 Viner Spezial Corsa NOS...LUV DAT FORK CROWN!
> (Don Wilson)
> 2. Ebay '61 Paramount from Parallel Universe? (Don Wilson)
> 3. Weinmann snobbery?
> 4. Re: Weinmann snobbery? (Fred Rafael Rednor)
> 5. 69 Legnano is genuine....honest... (Alfredo Marcantonio)
> 6. Re: WTB/WTT: 3T or TTT French bars...clarification (LTravers)
> 7. FOR SALE 0n eBay/ Cycling books (John T.Pergolizzi)
> 8. Another CONFENTE for sale......Oh really? (bruce thomson)
> 9. Re: FW: [CR]Is there a book about how to file ornate lugs?
> (Curt Goodrich)
> 10. Re: Ebay: 2000 Olmo Lugged Colum. Thoron Frame...seat stay Q
> (John Thompson)
> 11. Re: Ebay: 2000 Olmo Lugged Colum. Thoron Frame...seat stay Q
> (Arno Volkers)
> 12. Looking for a Campy Bianchi head set wrench (Norma Gonzalez)
> 13. New Member (Festiva 90 LX)
> 14. Re: Looking for a Campy Bianchi head set wrench (ternst)
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> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 00:41:21 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Don Wilson <dcwilson3@yahoo.com>
> To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Ebay '70 Viner Spezial Corsa NOS...LUV DAT FORK CROWN!
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> Ectoplasm green, but a neat, slightly concave fork
> crown.
> 150012587207
> Don Wilson
> Los Olivos, CA USA
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> D.C. Wilson dcwilson3@yahoo.com
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> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 01:29:30 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Don Wilson <dcwilson3@yahoo.com>
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> Subject: [CR]Ebay '61 Paramount from Parallel Universe?
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> Its not every day you see a Schwinn Paramount with
> Suntour Stem mounted shifters! Note also the RADICAL
> location of the brake levers. ;-)
> 110015522827
> Don Wilson
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> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 05:46:28 EDT
> From: CPOTZ@aol.com
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> Subject: [CR]Weinmann snobbery?
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> anybody ever encountered Weinmann snobbery , I was recently informed by an
> old guy 50's-60's club cyclist that Weinmann stuff was rubbish ( my
> wording
> his
> was far more explicit!)..I have always found it reasonable to decent stuff
> and going on the price attained on Ebay UK for the concave 27" rims
> (around£100) can it really be cheap crap?....When did Weinmann start?
>
> steve chambers chesterfield ,england...
>
>
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> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 02:54:17 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Fred Rafael Rednor <fred_rednor@yahoo.com>
> To: CPOTZ@aol.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Weinmann snobbery?
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> Steve,
> I think your opinion of Weinmann equipment is the correct
> one. The concave rims are extremely reliable and were once
> "the" rim to have on a serious touring bike.
> Once set up properly, their brakes were fine, especially the
> famous center-pull model. I suppose their only crime is that
> their prices were too low, hence you would see their stuff on
> really inexpensive bikes, as well as really nice ones.
> I think their brake levers could have been better, but at
> least they were light. Still, non of the stuff was rubbish.
> Cheers,
> Fred Rednor - Arlington, Virginia (USA)
>
> --- CPOTZ@aol.com wrote:
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>> anybody ever encountered Weinmann snobbery , I was recently
>> informed by an
>> old guy 50's-60's club cyclist that Weinmann stuff was
>> rubbish ( my wording
>> his
>> was far more explicit!)..I have always found it reasonable
>> to decent stuff
>> and going on the price attained on Ebay UK for the concave
>> 27" rims
>> (around£100) can it really be cheap crap?....When did
>> Weinmann start?
>>
>> steve chambers chesterfield ,england...
>>
>>
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> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:12:20 +0100
> From: Alfredo Marcantonio <alfredo.marcantonio@btinternet.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]69 Legnano is genuine....honest...
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> Hi Don and all,
>
> I bought the Legnano in Italy, I was already restoring one and bought
> this one for some of the equipment. It had been in a cellar and still
> had the original, though rotten bar tape on the bars, complete with
> the original gaslo Legnano bar ends. Your right it doesn't have a
> tubing decal, neither has the one I am restoring.
> I used to have a model 42 before that was too small that didn't have
> a tubing decal either and like this one it hadn't been box lined.
> Hope useful.
>
> Alfredo Marcantonio
> Twickenham, England
>
> ------------------------------
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> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 06:36:03 -0500
> From: LTravers <lat7575@swbell.net>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]WTB/WTT: 3T or TTT French bars...clarification
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>
> Well...that first attempt at
> clarification worked well. LOL...not.
>
>
>
> What I wrote and somehow it did not appear was that I was looking for
> bars that are French sized, 25.4 or 25.0 in the clamping area. My
> first post may have been unclear in that respect.
>
>
> --
> Lynn Travers
> Hazelwood, MO
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:21:29 -0500
> From: "John T.Pergolizzi" <jtperry1@verizon.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]FOR SALE 0n eBay/ Cycling books
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> Dear List,
>
> For all a youse that are interested in some special cycling books of the
> vintage persuasion, please take a look at my stuff for sale put up by a
> buddy of mine. Go here to see:
>
>
>
> http://ebay.com/
> meZSTRKQ3aMEWAQ3aMESOI
>
>
>
> thanks,
>
> John T.Pergolizzi
>
> Brooklyn, New York
>
> Not the seller, but it's my stuff!
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:36:30 -0700 (PDT)
> From: bruce thomson <masi3v4me@yahoo.com>
> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Another CONFENTE for sale......Oh really?
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> Listers: Ebay has brought out a rare item. One feedback Ebayer is
> listing a Mario Confente bicycle without photographs. Are you willing to
> take a risk?? Here is the number
>
>
> 230011988153
>
>
> Bruce Thomson Spokane WA 99204
> (509) 747 4314
> Masi3v4me@yahoo.com
>
>
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> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:24:18 -0500
> From: Curt Goodrich <goodrichbikes@netzero.net>
> To: "brianbaylis@juno.com" <brianbaylis@juno.com>,
> rstankus@mindspring.com
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: FW: [CR]Is there a book about how to file ornate lugs?
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> At 12:15 PM 7/29/2006, brianbaylis@juno.com wrote:
>> One long time builder remarked that
>>
>>it takes building lots of frames to become an "expert" and get to
>>
>>where you really know what you're doing; and if you don't build
>>
>>enough you won't be that good at it. That is pure foolishness and
>>
>>comes from someone who is obviously trying to keep the process a
>>
>>mystery. Any idiot knows that framebuilding is pretty simple in the
>>
>>basic form and most anyone with reasonable motor skills, some
>>
>>patience, and a good dose of common sense, and a little practice, can
>>
>>build excellent bike frames.
>
>
>
> Yikes Brian. It seems there's a bee up your bonnet. While I agree
> wholeheartedly frame building isn't terribly complicated it isn't
> that simple either. Anyone can stick a frame together and usually it
> will stay together and ride okay. But does that mean it can't be
> improved upon? Of course not and you know that. One thing for
> everyone to remember is that it's virtually IMPOSSIBLE to make a
> frame that's un-rideable. With that in mind, when people say their
> first frame rides okay that should hardly be considered a
> benchmark. I know my first frame was fine and I'm sure Brian your's
> was too but does it resemble anything like what you do today? I
> doubt it. Mine certainly doesn't. I guess what I'm saying is frame
> building is like any other craft. The more you do it the better one
> gets. Take plumbing for instance. I can stick a few copper tubes
> together but am a plumber? No. How can I become a plumber? Through
> instruction and practice. Not unlike frame building. Take musicians
> for instance. Anyone can learn a few chords on the guitar but that
> doesn't mean they can play the guitar. After some practice and
> instruction one could play "Mary had a little lamb" on the
> guitar. Then one could claim to play the guitar but still there's
> room for improvement. Wouldn't you agree? So how is that different
> than frame building? I don't think what I've written in any way can
> be construed as somehow trying keep frame building a mystery. If
> anything I think it simply points out the reality. I also don't know
> of anyone that is trying to keep frame building a mystery. I think I
> have a good idea who you are alluding to and I've got to say you are
> off base and I might add out of line. This sort of thing is mean
> spirited and baseless. I know you have a big heart Brian but these
> sort of cheap shots don't come from your heart. Please stop. You'll
> do yourself a favor. There's room for everyone at the table.
>
> Curt Goodrich
> Minneapolis, MN
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:51:49 -0500
> From: John Thompson <JohnThompson@new.rr.com>
> To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Ebay: 2000 Olmo Lugged Colum. Thoron Frame...seat stay Q
> Message-ID: <44CE0AF5.1050100@new.rr.com>
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> Don Wilson wrote:
>> If its on topic, someone look at the seat stay at the
>> seat cluster and tell me how they get that effect? It
>> is such a fluid transition from seat cluster to seat
>> stay that it looks as if they are one piece. Neat
>> effect and elegant aesthetically.
>> 130012310477
>
> That's the traditional "fastback" stay attachment. The stay ends are
> mitered to fit against the seat lug, brazed into place and carefully
> filed.
>
> Here's another variation, incorporating the seat post binder bolt:
>
> http://www.os2.dhs.org/
> http://www.os2.dhs.org/
>
> --
> John (john@os2.dhs.org)
> Appleton WI USA
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:17:41 +0000
> From: "Arno Volkers" <arnovolkers@hotmail.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Ebay: 2000 Olmo Lugged Colum. Thoron Frame...seat stay Q
> Message-ID: <BAY121-F34033ECA46648C07CA12FAA75C0@phx.gbl>
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> Hello John,
>
> i saw some pictures of your bike's on internet, also the frame that you've
> build. Sorry but i can't answer the seat stay question.
> My Question to you is how did you buid your own frame, is there a
> guideline on the internet how to build a frame, I have some links with
> manufacturers of lugs en tubes, but no information how to build them
>
> I'm also a young classic roadbike collector, I started 4 years ago, I've
> got
> a:
>
> Eddy Mercks molteni bike build by kessels
> A full chrome fiorelli
> A whit 1984/85 geurciotti
> A red Pinarello Treviso from 1981
> And a metalic red Colnago Super from 82
>
> greets,
>
> Arno Volkers
> Eindhovenlaan 3
> 5224 VG Den Bosch
>
>
>>From: John Thompson <JohnThompson@new.rr.com>
>>Reply-To: john@os2.dhs.org
>>To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>>Subject: Re: [CR]Ebay: 2000 Olmo Lugged Colum. Thoron Frame...seat stay Q
>>Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:51:49 -0500
>>
>>Don Wilson wrote:
>> > If its on topic, someone look at the seat stay at the
>> > seat cluster and tell me how they get that effect? It
>> > is such a fluid transition from seat cluster to seat
>> > stay that it looks as if they are one piece. Neat
>> > effect and elegant aesthetically.
>> > 130012310477
>>
>>That's the traditional "fastback" stay attachment. The stay ends are
>>mitered to fit against the seat lug, brazed into place and carefully
>>filed.
>>
>>Here's another variation, incorporating the seat post binder bolt:
>>
>> http://www.os2.dhs.org/
>> http://www.os2.dhs.org/
>>
>>--
>>John (john@os2.dhs.org)
>>Appleton WI USA
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:29:46 -0700
> From: "Norma Gonzalez" <joeysarah@sbcglobal.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Looking for a Campy Bianchi head set wrench
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> Dear List Members,
>
> I am looking to buy an opposing pin wrench tool that Campy made (in the
> 50/60s ?) that worked perfectly with the integrated Bianchi headset
> parts. Doubtless some list member has four or five of these sitting in
> a box and is willing to part with one of them. Please contact me off
> list if you have one that you can bare to sell or absent full Campy
> nirvana success a reasonable substitute.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris Gonzalez
> Carmel, CA
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:40:02 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Festiva 90 LX <festiva90lx@yahoo.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]New Member
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>
> I really enjoyed seeing the pictures of Le Cirque du Cyclisme. Was that
> held in North Carolina? I especially liked the Rene Herse touring bike and
> the other Randonneurs.
>
> I would like to share with you some pictures of my Chemineau. It is about
> 50 years old and still being used, in fact I rode it today. The Chemineaus
> were produced in St. Etienne in the French Alps, and the company may have
> been one of the first to market the derailleur shift system. The pictures
> are here: http://community.webshots.com/
> bicycle used, when I was in high school, in 1955. I also have a Schwinn
> Super Sport touring bike, a Fiorelli tandem, a 28" wheel Raleigh 3 speed
> with rod brakes, a 1966 Raleigh sports, a Hercules, a Humber, a Triumph,
> an Atala frame and fork, and a Raleigh Super Course, along with a lot of
> old parts my wife would just as soon have me get rid of (that's not very
> likely!). Oh, and she has an old Gitane Mixte that hasn't been ridden in
> years.
>
> I plan to put up some pictures of some of my other bikes, including the
> racing bike with the Colubus SL frame and Campy Groupo, but I'm afraid I
> don't have anything near as nice as those bikes in the Cirque.
>
> David Lester
> Hartford, Ct., USA
>
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> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:47:37 -0700
> From: "ternst" <ternst1@cox.net>
> To: "Norma Gonzalez" <joeysarah@sbcglobal.net>,
> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Looking for a Campy Bianchi head set wrench
> Message-ID: <000801c6b4d1$caf1da10$0200a8c0@D8XCLL51>
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> GOOOOD LUCK!
> Ted Ernst
> Palos Verdes Estates
> CA USA
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Norma Gonzalez" <joeysarah@sbcglobal.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 11:29 AM
> Subject: [CR]Looking for a Campy Bianchi head set wrench
>
>
>> Dear List Members,
>>
>> I am looking to buy an opposing pin wrench tool that Campy made (in the
>> 50/60s ?) that worked perfectly with the integrated Bianchi headset
>> parts. Doubtless some list member has four or five of these sitting in
>> a box and is willing to part with one of them. Please contact me off
>> list if you have one that you can bare to sell or absent full Campy
>> nirvana success a reasonable substitute.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Chris Gonzalez
>> Carmel, CA
>>
>> _______________________________________________
> ------------------------------
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