Re: [CR]re: Peugeot PX-10 on eBay - what is it?

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From: "Eric Elman" <tr4play@cox.net>
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Subject: Re: [CR]re: Peugeot PX-10 on eBay - what is it?
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 17:14:08 -0400
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I concur with the each point of the assessment Russ has presented regarding this bike.

Few other notes to add:

The stem is consistent with what came on UO-8's, not PX-10's. The front derailleur is a Simplex Super Competition which was first available on 1975 PX-10LE's, not PX-10E's which still had the pushrod type derailleur so this is also a swap out (and upgrade). Based on all other details, this bike is definitely not a PX-10LE. Rear hub nut end of the QR is wrong, not the early Simplex type as the rest of the QR is. Left rear drop out is un-drilled for an axle stop - this is correct. Oddly, it looks like the right side rear drop out is drilled for a screw type axle stop - not correct on any PX-10 variant.

Yes, I'm being nit-picky; my intent is not to slander the seller in any way but only to help a list member that is thinking of buying this bike to understand that this bike is not factory/typical correct in many ways; it could be corrected without to much effort but the cost of doing so should be calculated into the amount you are willing to spend. It is likely to be a very fine riding bike, just not likely to be worth the current values that a fully correct PX-10E brings.

Eric Elman
knows PX-10E's and LE's
Somers, CT


----- Original Message -----
From: Russ Fitzgerald
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 2:58 PM
Subject: [CR]re: Peugeot PX-10 on eBay - what is it?



> Hmmm. The frame appears to be a c.1973 PX-10E, with the same steeper
> angles that the 58cm one I had possessed - makes sense in this smaller
> frame, though. But '73, '74, lots of PX-10s seem to have had steeper
> angles.
>
> Someone mentioned the "UO-8" styled cable stop on the chainstay, but I had
> a couple of PXs with those a few years back, one with Nervex Pros, one
> with DuBois plain lugs.
>
> The serial number under the BB looks a lot like the funky numbers on the
> two PX-10s I used to have a few years back - hand-stamped and crude,
> despite being within the riveted plate period. Maybe Peugeot ran out of
> plates for a few weeks? David Goerndt at one point thought these sorts of
> numbers might mark warranty replacement frames. It is odd, though. You
> have relatively neatly stamped numbers (parallel to the spindle) in the
> 60s, metal plate numbers from about 1970 to about 1978, then stamped
> numbers running perpendicular to the spindle starting in 1979, with an
> added date code starting in 1980. These crude numbers aren't all that
> uncommon, though.
>
> The fork looks to me like the ones on PR-10s, though, but with different
> decals. The crown is identical to the ones I'm accustomed to seeing on
> PR-10s - much too rough for a PX, too crude, etc.
>
> The wheels could be from a UX-10, the short-lived 27-in clincher version
> of the PX-10 made for the U.S. market - or someone could have just gotten
> tired of punctures and had new wheels built up on the stock hubs.
>
> My feeling is that someone noticed that PX-10s are bringing more on eBay
> than they once did, and put together a complete bike out of parts on
> hand - the Dia-Compe levers and SR bars and cheapo Tourney cranks were
> what was on hand that would fit, I think.